One of the more consequential cases to be decided.

Thanks to former President Donald Trump’s baseless claims of widespread fraud in the 2020 election, a tidal wave of new election bills aimed at tightening voting procedures is on the horizon. Many of those laws will undoubtedly be challenged in court on the grounds that they limit the rights of Black people and other minorities to vote.

On Tuesday, during Supreme Court arguments over which standard will apply when courts consider those cases, the justices shed much heat but little light, offering a smattering of different possible tests for whether those measures will survive or fail. At issue in particular was how to judge laws that seem to be neutral on their face, but prove to limit minority voters when put into practice.
https://www.cnbc.com/2021/03/02/sup...ope-of-voting-protections-for-minorities.html

Repubs, facing unfavorable demographic trends and a deficit in registered voters, will continue to pound away at voting rights as an alternative to broadening their base by moving towards the middle. Why? I assume because they fear moderating their policy positions will sap energy away from the radical faction of the party, threatening turnout.

The SC already gutted the Voting Rights Act in the kind of stunning reversal of long standing precedent Roberts promised he would not support during his confirmation testimony. A ruling that opened the floodgates for Repub controlled states to immediately take action to restrict voting rights. https://www.propublica.org/article/voting-rights-by-state-map

Those efforts continue in earnest, especially in the wake of the Orange Insurrectionist's defeat.

 

I'm not sure why there needs to be more voter fraud threads. We already KNOW it happened. Why do you keep trying to remind us of this?

 

How is wanting to fix the policies that disenfranchise minority voters relative to voter fraud?

 

This isn't a voter fraud thread. It's a thread about how the SC may rule on the slew of coming attempts to restrict voter rights following "baseless claims of widespread fraud in the 2020 election."

 

because this is just the typical voter fraud denial with some RACE sprinkled on top. Everything sounds better with the race card! Unfortunately, because of so much boy who cried wolf syndrome of the left I can no longer trust anything they put out that is race-based

 

Too many DEAD people voted for my taste. There is no current law i'm aware of that says people of a certain ethnicity cannot vote. This is just more race baiting BS and EVEN if its true, its TOO LATE, too many lies from the left and way too much foot in mouth and/or boy who cried wolf syndrome to take it seriously at this point

 

Remind me again how many court cases with sufficient evidence of voter fraud to merit being heard by the court were won by Trump and his minions. This is one of those times when you really must put up or........... You can't keep claiming up is down and expect anyone to listen.

 

They didn't even have the chance, it was all SHUT DOWN. Also, I don't expect anyone to listen. But to expect us to think NONE of it is suspect is asking too much.

 

I'm still a bit unclear on what one has to do with the other. The whole purpose in looking at these policies is to ensure that people that are eligible to vote are actually able to vote. It's irrelevant if *someone* doesn't want those voices heard.

Further, I do not believe that discussions about different races of people is race-baiting. It is possible to have civil conversations that are open and honest to help address the problem. Both sides have to stop digging their heels in and pointing the finger at the other side.

 

Do you think there is a slight *possibility* that Trump may have exaggerated the problem to keep his supporters "on the hook" to wrangle more donations for his legal battles related to the election? It's difficult to understand your side unless you can conceive of the idea that he might be wrong or lying or both.

 

Because of a lack of evidence.

 

Thank you.

 

I definitely think he exaggerates some things.
I also think the amount of fraud they uncovered is DOWNPLAYED and lumped in with "oh yeah, this happens every election , no biggie", but this election was anything but typical and therefore should not be downplayed and put in a bracket with ALL past elections

 

Good start. Next question...

Can you help me understand why you think election fraud happened ONLY in the states that Trump lost? Shouldn't it naturally follow that ALL states have some level of election fraud and all should be of concern?

 

And how many dead people do you believe voted?

 

There is no way to tell this with ballots being handed out like candy in the mail. I think some fraud happens in ALL states. I also think to pull off a good fraud scam, you DON'T GET CAUGHT'
There is a reason why the voting system was made to be Machines with booths and curtains around them. The postal system existed before this and if mail in voting was so great, the voting booths would have never been invented.

 

Good point.

Repudiating Trump, officials say election ‘most secure’
https://apnews.com/article/top-officials-elections-most-secure-66f9361084ccbc461e3bbf42861057a5

WASHINGTON (AP) — It’s hard to put it any more bluntly: “There is no evidence that any voting system deleted or lost votes, changed votes or was in any way compromised.”

Rejecting President Donald Trump’s persistent claims and complaints, a broad coalition of top government and industry officials is declaring that the Nov. 3 voting and the following count unfolded smoothly with no more than the usual minor hiccups.

It was, they declare, resorting to Trump’s sort of dramatic language, “the most secure in American history.”

 

OK, but that doesn't answer my question. Let's start with the idea that every election has some percentage of errors and/or fraud. Given that, doesn't is automatically follow that ALL states would be impacted? And, if that is true, why is Trump only concerned with the states where he lost?

The invention of the voting booth did not eliminate mail-in voting. It just introduced another option for voters to use. It also makes sense because we were/are facing a worldwide pandemic that calls for social distancing. Why wouldn't people prefer to use the mail-in option?

 

That they don't talk about voter fraud in states Trump won is all the proof we need that they don't actually believe there was any widespread voter fraud. They only claim there was voter fraud because they want to try to delegitimize Biden's presidency. It's part of their sore loser playbook which they learned from the master of all sore losers....Trump.

 

That's all fairly logical, but thinking big picture here. 2 phony Impeachments, constant media onslaught (including influential celebrities) and straight up madness makes most of it unbelievable to me. People didn't get pummeled in the streets like for wearing obama hat but heaven forbid you wear a maga hat, you end up hospitalized. That plus the fact that a blind eye was turned to all these allegations and the normal process for changing rules wasn't followed, I am not going to believe it most likely no matter what you say about it. No point in going on with this chat. I believe there was fraud and I ACCEPT IT. The only time I even talk about this is when people want to pretend it didn't happen. Thanks for your attempts to try to make this cut and dry and simplified but I feel that is impossible to do on this topic.
I accept the steal and just hope the democrats can give us SOME policies that actually benefit Americans at this point.

 

I don't really understand their position at all. It just doesn't make sense that it's only disputed in states he lost. I don't understand why this doesn't seem to make sense to those that believe widespread fraud was involved.

 

Ah....so because there are people who hated Trump and some A holes who attacked some Trumpers for wearing a MAGA hat, that is proof the election was “stolen”? Wow....

 

Because they don’t really believe it. They only claim it was stolen to delegitimize Biden as well as use it for the excuse as to why Trump lost. A guy like Trump can’t accept defeat like a man so he needs to make up excuses.

 

Because by and large they don't disenfranchise anyone that can already legally vote.

 

On the surface, it appears to be out of concern for an individuals rights. Lets test that theory with an example of the same person of color wanting to exercise their second amendment rights.