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  1. Siskie

    Siskie Active Member

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    No thanks. What guns?
     
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    Every law that inhibits Americans from keeping and bearing arms is a dangerous irrational abuse of government power.

    More Guns = Less Crime
     
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    edna kawabata Well-Known Member

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    More Guns=More Gun Crime
     
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    In fact gun crime soars after subjects of government are disarmed.

    “THE number of crimes involving handguns reached
    its highest level for seven years in 2000…

    The total was more than a third up on the previous
    year, according to figures given in a parliamentary
    written answer by Lord Bassam of Brighton, a Home
    Office minister.” Thomas Harding, “Handgun crime soars despite
    Dunblane ban,” The Telegraph, 11/01/01. (emphasis mine)
    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/1314245/Handgun-crime-soars-despite-Dunblane-ban.html
     
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    edna kawabata Well-Known Member

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    No need to thank us.
    "The British police have traced some of the smuggled American guns back to loosely regulated gun fairs in states like Florida. Investigators have also seized American weapons being smuggled on a container ship and hidden in car engines." https://www.nytimes.com/2020/08/12/world/europe/handguns-smuggling-murder-us-uk.html
     
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    And yet all crime, including gun crimes surged after the UK gun bans. How is that possible? ;-)

    "Wednesday, 21 March, 2001, 16:43 GMT
    Police smash gun-running operation
    A number of weapons were seized in the raid
    Six men were arrested in raids in London and Essex
    Scotland Yard has arrested six men and seized a number of weapons after uncovering a gun running operation in London and Essex. Officers from the Serious and Organised Crime Command mounted an intelligence-led operation centred on a cemetery in Benfleet, and residential properties in rural Essex and Woodford Green in north-east London.

    Senior police officers believe the weapons including three anti-aircraft missiles, heavy machine guns, hand grenades and ammunition would have been sold to criminals involved in armed robberies, contract killings and other serious crimes Six British men have been arrested and are being held at police stations in Essex and East London."
    BBC, Wednesday, 21 March, 2001, 16:43 GMT , Police smash gun-running operation
    http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/1234056.stm

    Seizing contraband guns is rather like seizing illegal drugs.
    It makes the contraband more valuable for the smugglers and the end users.
     
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    A statement of abject, or willful, ignorance, as proven by the rates of gun related crime in 1992-1993 compared to today.
    More guns today, less crime today.
     
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    edna kawabata Well-Known Member

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    I'm sorry, you were saying......
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    You have no evidence of that/
     
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    edna kawabata Well-Known Member

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    The fact that crime, including gun crime soars after gun bans is well documented.

    THE GUARDIAN, Rise in recorded crime is accelerating in England and Wales, Police figures show offences up 14% in a year, with knife and gun crime rising even more steeply, Alan Travis Home affairs editor, Thu 25 Jan 2018.
    https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2018/jan/25/knife-and-gun-rises-sharply-in-england-and-wales

    The UK had far less crime when its people were armed and its police were not.
     
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    from your own site;" A review of gun tracing data also revealed that 65 percent of the guns recovered in the most restrictive states originated from other states". it looks like restricting gun accomplished nothing. but we knew that because there are more good guys with guns than bad guys with guns. we win.


    how about chicago, where gun violence is out of control and the gun laws are very strict? https://home.chicagopolice.org/statistics-data/crime-statistics/

    https://www.usatoday.com/story/opin...ives-every-day-editorials-debates/1916643001/
    this one is good, it turns out more guns meant more people saved from crime.

    according to your logic more spoons means more fat people. hilarious.
     
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    Correlation does not imply causation....as they say.
     
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    A Chicagoan can drive 30 min. to Gary and have his "cousin" buy him a gun no problem.
    Are there any studies showing how many people were threatened with a gun.
     
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    The inverse correlation -does- disprove your claim, however.
     
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    And commit a federal felony while doing so.
     
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    no they cannot. please come back when you can demonstrate any understanding of these laws.
     
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    You mean I can't find a straw buyer in Gary! What's the world coming to!? BTW Chicago may be the poster child for right-winger propaganda but Gary has twice the homicide rate per capita than Chi-town.
     
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    You can, but if you do, both he and you commit a federal felony.
     
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    edna kawabata Well-Known Member

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    A riddle (to you): Ireland has a higher crime rate than the US and yet the US has 12 times the gun homicide rate and we wonder why.
    Noted in the initial OP.....but few arrests and no jail time. The dealer is responsible to notify ATF or state authorities (Indiana has no state laws against it) but there are many dealers who have "regular" customers especially in the "region" or just refuse to sell the gun if they are unusually law abiding.
     
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    If you want to illegally obtain a gun we already have laws for that. does this make any sense?
     
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    Fact remains:
    You claim that more guns -= more gun related crime is proven false by the increase in the number of guns in the US since 1993 and the ~50% decrease in the number of gun-related crimes since 1993.
    Why do you cling to a claim you know to be false?
     
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    There are a number of theories about why crime has dropped since '93 and here are 16. It's probably cumulative but guns (your pet theory) don't seem to be in the mix. I have a couple more they missed... Weed took over after crack fell out of fashion. It's non-addictive and users less motivated to break the law to get it. Cell phones made drug dealing less territorial and that begat less confrontations.
     

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