Those who choose to practice a particular right...

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  1. FatBack

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    namely the right to keep and bear arms, they dont demand that others do the same.

    If you choose to not carry a gun, they are just fine with your choice. The wont ridicule or vilify you for your choice. They just let you be.

    Not so, the gun banners. It's not enough they choose to never be armed. Oh no, they demand no one be armed. They see anyone being armed as some personal affront to their own beliefs.

    It's not enough to make your own choice and leave others alone.....oh no, we gotta make sure you are not a person who "clings" to their rights!

    One side represents freedom, the other side represents a tyrannical dictatorship. Yet one more reason, I am not a liberal progressive.
     
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    modernpaladin Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    They just dont want to see the gun. They dont seem to have a problem walking around in public where 1 in every hundred is legally concealing, and prolly another illegally.

    Or, well, they say they have a problem with it, but they dont act like they have a problem with it...
     
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    That isn't entirely true is it. It shouldn't reflect on the whole but there are certainly examples of gun proponents ridiculing or vilifying people who choose not to be armed, such as when unarmed people are attacked or killed by armed criminals.

    That is disingenuous. There are lots of different reasons for any position on gun control and plenty of those who oppose much or any gun ownership will have practical reasons beyond personal belief, generally that they think widespread gun ownership does more harm than good. You're free to disagree with and challenge them on that but you can't just pretend that argument doesn't exist.

    So we should all be free to unconditionally do anything we want ourselves? Note that the fact gun ownership is a right (in the US at least) isn't a factor here. That's just the term for what a society has decided everyone should be free to do. Rights can be changed.
     
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    Well, that didn't take long. Back to the drawing board for you. Next time try making an argument without misstating the position of gun control advocates. I, for example, am not a "gun banner." But I will admit to thinking there is something very wrong about this..............................

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    .........which as you may know was not taken at a meeting of the Small Johnson's Club, but rather outside the MI statehouse.

    Pardon me for pointing out the Orwellian nature of folks like yourself complaining about the non-existent Dem plan to take your guns away while Rambo wannabe's strut around outside the seat of MI's government with semi-automatic weapons.
     
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  5. FatBack

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    Damn, scary....How many were shot? This scare you too? [​IMG]
     
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  6. Lee Atwater

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    Pardon me for pointing out the Orwellian nature of folks like yourself complaining about the non-existent Dem plan to take your guns away while Rambo wannabe's of all stripes strut around with semi-automatic weapons. The ideological beliefs of these people is not the issue. The problem is the insanity of this being normalized while you folks complain about restrictive gun control measures.
     
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    Those who choose to practice a particular right....namely the right to keep and bear arms legally marry someone of the same sex, they don't demand that others do the same.

    If you choose to not carry a gun marry someone of the same sex, they are just fine with your choice. The won't ridicule or vilify you for your choice. They just let you be.

    Not so, the gun banners anti-gay marriage folks . It's not enough they choose to never be armed just not marry someone of the same sex. Oh no, they demand no one be armed marry someone of the same sex. They see anyone being armed marrying someone of the same sex as some personal affront to their own beliefs.

    It's not enough to make your own choice and leave others alone.....oh no, we gotta make sure you are not a person who "clings" to their rights!

    One side represents freedom, the other side represents a tyrannical dictatorship.

    Works both ways...:D
    For the record...I’m pro-2A
     
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    More than that, in their tortured minds they believe that a law prohibiting guns will be like a magic wand and make guns go away. They are deluded.
     
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    I agree anyone who thinks banning guns will have any real impact is deluded. But help me out...what legislator has proposed any bill in congress to ban all guns?
     
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    I think it has more to do with not wanting to be shot.
     
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    I want to see the gun.
     
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    Nope.
     
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    None that I'm aware of, but my point was that dreamers dream, and some on the gun control wagon believe that all guns should be banished, as they've attempted Down Under.
     
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    I hear the arguments from the gun control side and some I agree with, such as the universal background checks for private sales.

    However, as soon as assault weapon bans, magazine bans, and registration come up, I immediately discard their opinion.
     
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    Perhaps you haven't been paying attention or, like most gun banners, are willing to deceive others to facilitate a fascist agenda:


    "Biden calls on Congress to ban assault weapons and institute other gun restrictions"
    https://www.cbsnews.com/news/biden-urges-gun-law-reforms-on-parkland-shooting-anniversary/
     
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    Good thing Australia has nothing to do with the US. And good thing no legislator has put forth anything remotely close to banning all guns.
     
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    And here is the hypocrisy I don't see a problem with either group being armed, but your post on the other hand denies one picture example while the other draws a negative connotation from you ;)
     
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    Check out the post above. POTUS has proposed such legislation.
     
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    No offence, and I do understand your position.. I have many weapons and the verbiage "universal background checks for private sales" is used by misinformed folks.. For starters the proper way to transfer a weapon is thru a licensed FF agent.. Law abiding PRIVATE owners/sellers do it that way, criminal PRIVATE owner/sellers don't...

    And as for the big hype about Gun Show nonsense, I have three recent "Last four years" purchases from Gun Shows and everyone one of those sales were ICE and FBI background checks.. In Fact ALL the firearms I own and bought over the decades are all registered and each and every one is registered and everyone was bought after a background check..

    I can even remember taking background checks when Regan was shot just to purchase .22cal and other small game rounds..

    So adding more background checks and claiming the background checks we see today need improvement comes from folks that are out of the loop and haven't a clue about legal way to transfers/sale of a firearm..
     
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    POTUS in fact has NOT proposed banning all guns. There's really no reason for you to be disingenuous.
     
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    I'm not being disingenuous. I don't watch CBS, but post #15 above has a link to a CBS story claiming Biden has proposed new gun restrictions. I've seen such headlines at other sites for several weeks.

    Read it or don't, I could not care less.
     
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    None.
     
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    Good reply....and that could also be applied to abortion...""It's not enough to make their own choice and leave others alone....."""
     
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    That's you, but your non fear of the weapon is greatly overwhelmed my million that associate a weapon with a criminal or madman..

    That's where leftist negative propaganda agenda's and anti gun folks are today.. This country is being taught/conditioned to fear what they don't understand, and they expect their fear mongers to protect them from it..
     
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