Trump: Request for 10K Guard Troops Rejected Days Before Riot

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  1. GlobalCitizen

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    Did I miss one of our great Senators asking General Walker if Trump ordered out the NG? Why wouldn't they ask that?
     
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    In the hearing? Yes. They asked if Trump's claim of ordering out 10,000 Guardsmen was correct and was told "no." It was in reference to Trump's claim and the DoD testifier's explanation of the chain of command, regarding the Secretary of Defense's responsibility for ordering the D.C. Guard out (i.e. the Secretary of Defense reports directly to the President).
     
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    Who said that?
     
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    I believe it was Walker and the DoD spokesperson. Walker was not aware of any such order and the DoD spokesperson explained the chain of command.
     
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    I just scanned through several videos of Walker, and I could find no instance of anyone asking him if Trump ordered the guard out.
     
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    Try Klobuchar's questions. Do you think Trump ordered the NG out?
     
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    The fact check link earlier describes a conversation the night before in which it appears Trump did.
     
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    It is her duty along with the Sargent At Arms to request security.
     
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    Not from the National Guard. You're trying to move the goalposts.

    FFS. You were wrong, admit it, and move on.

    For the last time...Nancy Pelosi has absolutely no power or authority over any of that and you know it
     
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    Trump can only call out the NG for invasion, rebellion, governor request, or to ensure the law is carried out.

    The request the day before would fall under ensuring law. Trump cannot possibly foresee every situation in the country in which additional security would be required to carry out the law. He would rely on requests, although not exclusively, in order to use his power.
     
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    Trump can call the governor of Maryland and request troops at any time. He has to justify that need thru the request, but he can request. So again, my point stands that Nancy Pelosi has absolutely no power to request or deny deployment of NG troops, nor what they do and who they protect while deployed.
     
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    Perhaps you can explain the shenanigans going on with the Pentagon regarding the request for NG assistance on 1/6 . First, Gen. Flynn was not on the call - until it was proven he was. Why wouldn't they admit that from the beginning? And why were THEY so concerned about optics? Why did it take them over three hours to unleash the hounds?
     
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    I agree with everything here except I'm not so sure of Pelosi's duty to request. I know that she has the authority.
     
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    Show me where she has the authority to request deployment of the NG ?
     
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    Apparently, the Acting Secretary of Defense told a reporter that Trump mentioned to him that they'd need 10,000 people for crowd control, but no such order was ever forwarded to either the Capitol Police or to the Department of Defense. Obviously, the way to resolve the issue is to question the Acting Secretary of Defense and the former President under oath. Have either publicly offered to testify before Congress?
     
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    The 2007 NDA. It says Trump can activate the NG to ensure the law is carried out. Pelosi was Speaker of the House on the day that some supposedly important laws were being carried out. There is no question that she had the authority to request Trump to activate the NG if the carrying out of said laws was in jeopardy. As any government agent in any situation across the nation in which the law is in jeopardy has the authority to request NG assistance from their superior. Who would be Pelosi's superior?
     
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    Start with the SECDEF. Trump said "Get it done". Why wasn't it?
     
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    Pelosi wouldn't be the direct route, although she would have certainly had the authority to request aid. Seems both Pelosi and Trump need to be questioned under oath. Further down the ladder, would be former Acting Secretary of Defense Chris Miller. Why hasn't he been called to testify?
     
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    You playing some 6 degrees of Kevin Bacon.

    Nancy Pelosi CANNOT deploy, nor change the deployment of the NG in any way manner, shape or form. Your new game of "she can ask the president" is ridiculous on its face. Hell, I can ask the president to deploy the guard, but that in no way means I have the power to deploy them. FFS.
     
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    It sounds strange. Just like the last hearings on a protest in which I disagreed with the narrative: Benghazi.
     
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    I would have asked.
     
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    Why ? She's not in charge of security, nor did she have the intel the President had. The blame lies with him. Just be an honest citizen and admit it and move on

    Again, she has NO culpability in the fiasco on the 6th. No matter how many degrees of Kevin Bacon you try to play, you loose.
     
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    The original Benghazi narrative was a cover story for a CIA operation. It didn't last long. Personally, I think the killing of the Ambassador and State Department IT Officer, at the diplomatic facility, was manslaughter - i.e. accidental deaths caused by burning tires, which led to their suffocations. Were there terrorists involved, associated with Al Qaeda? Yes. Were there protestors against the U.S. made video? Yes. IMO, the primary purpose of the attackers was to duplicate the storming of our Cairo embassy, accomplished earlier in the day. The deaths in Benghazi led to an escalation, involving the exposed CIA operation and the intentional attack on it, which resulted in the intentional deaths of two former Special Operations people working as security for our Tripoli embassy and the CIA Benghazi operation.
    In regard to January 6th, I'd also want to know why Chis Miller (a former Special Ops officer) replaced Esper in November 2020, as Secretary of State, with only two months to go. Probably an innocent explanation (e.g. he wanted to leave whether Trump won or not; he had another job lined up, etc.), but doesn't hurt to interview him for an explanation.
     
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    I am an honest citizen, which is why I want accountability. The Dem team says Trump is accountable, but they hold all the power and do nothing. Trump is still not in jail, despite their wild accusations.

    It seems to me that those with the power to arrest, who publicly accuse, but do not arrest, are almost certainly dishonest.
     
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    Yet AGAIN, you move the goalpost

    I accept your surrender
     
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