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  1. FatBack

    FatBack Well-Known Member

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    Jeff Cooper coined the phrase "hoplophobia" an irrational fear of weapons. I keep a close eye on mine, waiting for them to move under their own will or their siren song to temp me to missuse them, it never does.
     
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    Well....beside the weapon being visible. So THAT would be the difference.
    Well...except that avoiding dogs, as in not getting one, is far different than being able to avoid someone open carrying. Going about ones day running errands they can run in to multiple people open carrying wherever allowed.
    That isn't to say I agree with their stance in not wanting open carrying allowed. Just pointing out your analogy wasn't well thought out.
     
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    FatBack Well-Known Member

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    We usually call those LEOs
     
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    So no one other than LEO's open carry in states where open carry is allowed? Really? Seems you didn't really think through your response.
     
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    FatBack Well-Known Member

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    You think all states are open carry? Really? And you speak of thinking something thru.
     
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    Um....try reading my post again. If you read it slower this time you’ll see that I did not say all states are open carry. I said, in states where open carry is allowed.
    How bad does it suck for you when your “gotcha” moment is an epic fail?
     
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    How bad does it suck for you when people have to spell out the obvious? Obviously, I dont live in an open carry state.
     
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    Hahahahahaha....now how did I know you’d double down on your foolishness?!? You’re nothing if not predictable.
     
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    modernpaladin Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Wait, you've seen ppl with their dogs in public, right? Why don't we ban dogs from being visible in public to protect folks who are 'intimidated' (scared) by dogs?
     
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    He also does not seem to understand if you say LEOs are all the ones who open carry, you obviously dont live in an open carry state.
     
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    Very rarely but when I have the dog is on a leash and if one chooses to (I personally wouldn’t) they can cross the street to avoid the dog so as to be out of range of said dog. You really should stop with the analogies as it’s not your forte.
    And again, I would not be intimidated seeing someone with a gun for one big reason I can’t share. But I can at least understand why someone might be intimidated by seeing a gun in public...again...see mass shootings
     
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    I spose you may have some uncommon experience... but dogs are common in public in most areas of the US- including areas where guns must be hidden. They easily can pull their leash from an innatentive owner, btw, and be free to attack anyone they can catch (of course few dogs actually would). We don't ban dogs from public because doing so to pacify the irrationally fearful is not good law.
     
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    Well there are some states and municipalities within states that do in fact have laws regarding "scary" dogs. Quite a few places have laws against owning pitbulls and rottweilers and dogs like that.

    Plus as I said before we are dealing with human beings not machines. Human beings are creatures of emotion first and logic second and since we humans are who make the rules for our human society we can't really be shocked that many of the laws we create are emotion based and not logic based.

    Why no law against big dogs in public? Because most people like dogs and aren't scared of dogs even though that big beautiful golden retriever can literally kill you if it wanted to. In cases where many people are in fact scared of a type of dog (like pit bulls) then we make laws in those areas banning them.

    There are PLENTY of hypocritical laws in the US that make absolutely zero sense based on raw statistics but since it's what the people want it remains the law.
     
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    Mob rule. Back when many ppl were irrationally afraid of LGBT, it was still bad law to force them into the closet.

    If you're saying banning open carry is a hypocritical law that makes absolutely no sense, then we agree- thats pretty much been my point all along.
     
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    Very rare for someone to be walking a dog that would randomly attack someone. Hence why people aren’t intimidated by seeing a dog being walked.
     
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    Nope, you need a license, registration, insurance, etc for a car. So lets do that for guns.
     
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    It's absolutely hypocritical and makes no sense just like weed being illegal but hard liquor isn't. Whenever you have a society to where governance is done via the will of the people of a society then you are stuck with the will of the people of that society even if their will is flat out stupid sometimes.

    It's the best we can do though, it's better than the alternative which would be giving our elected lawmakers the authority to say "we know what's best for you" and do what they want instead of what we want. I don't think we'd like that too much, there's a word for that type of government...

    If the citizens of some states are afraid of seeing guns on folks in public then by all means make open carry illegal if thats what the people want. In my state if anybody is actually intimidated by seeing guns in public then they are VASTLY outnumbered by those who aren't and our state has no carry laws or permits required in any fashion whatsoever. Our state government is doing the will of the people here, that's how it should be.
     
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    To be fair it's also very rare for someone open carrying a firearm on their hip to randomly draw and shoot somebody with it for no reason. In fact statistically speaking an order of magnitude more people are attacked by dogs in the US than are shot in the US every year...So you really are way more likely to be randomly attacked by the dog being walked down the street than you are to be shot by the guy walking down the street with a firearm on their hip. And if talking more serious dog attacks that require actual medical attention then those are still 10x more than the amount of people shot.

    So yeah statistically speaking Rover really is way more likely to hurt you than someone with a firearm is...The laws are in place simply because people want them to be and we govern via the will of people in this country. Which is perfectly fine and how it should be, but just saying...
     
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    Except that wasn’t the issue being discussed. But thanks anyway
     
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    Weird I need a license to buy a firearm, but I surely don't need one to drive, buy or insure a vehicle I own :) You must be confusing legal gun registration with those thugs in the ghetto's that don't adhere to LAWS ;)
     
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    Even more rare is a gun owner randomly attacking someone. Hence why rational people dont cower in fear knowing a % are armed.
     
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    Very rare for someone carrying a gun to attack someone. Hence why... wait, no, ppl are still scared anyway.
     
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    I guess I dont see a lot of difference between the authoritarianism of lawmakers and the authoritarianism of a slight majority of voters... which is why we had a constitution until we started letting lawyers redefine the words written in it.
     
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    It is rare. But again, the issue was that you couldn’t understand why there are people who are intimidated seeing a gun in public. I merely pointed out that it’s understandable given how many mass shootings have taken place in places one would normally think they should be safe. See, it’s normal to see dogs in public, it’s not so normal for many people to see guns in public. Hence why they’d be intimidated. Not sure why you can’t at least understand that.
    I’m not intimidated of being in public without a gun on me but at least I understand how there could be people who don’t feel safe to be in public without one and I support their need to carry one to feel safe.
     
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    So long as they get a permit and can afford a concealable weapon...
     
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