No, Republicans ARE the problem, and here is the 'why' of the Covid bill

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  1. Patricio Da Silva

    Patricio Da Silva Well-Known Member Donor

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    Everywhere I turn, on Fox, on this forum, etc., republicans are whining about how they think the Covid bill is 'bloated', costly, too big, too much non covid stuff, blah blah blah.

    First, on the cost, we could have easily paid for it if repubs hadn't given an unneeded tax cut to the super rich, which sent deficits soaring over a trillion extra big ones. So, all we got to do is restore the pre-Trump tax structure, keeping the tax cuts for the lesser income folks like you and I, and restore the tax structure to the super rich, and that will pay for most of it. What's left cost wise, will be far less than the last big stimulus bill during Obama, and, adjusting for inflation, the cost should be a lot less,

    Moreover, this bill won't result in inflation because covid caused unemployment to rise, that means demand has fallen, which will cause prices to fall somewhat, (deflation is very painful for businesses, though you and I might like it) and the thing preventing it are the stimulus bills being passed. So it's a win win deal, we prop up demand and provide for relief on numerous fronts, and darn, I don't know why repubs think it's a bad thing, it's supported by more than 70% of the population, and that includes a lot of republicans. It's only the senate and house repubs who have a hair up their butts on this, not the general public, including republicans. I don't get it, it's like you repubs in congress and the senate don't want dems to win (bingo, that's it! Eureka, who woulda thunk? ) Repubs need to get with the program.

    Now then:

    Let's take a look at the 'why' of the bill.

    Outside of the budget reconciliation process, a bill requires 60 votes, and this is only because repubs abuse the filibuster, which is to say they filibuster EVERYTHING. The filibuster was never meant to be used on everything. See? If the non-covid items were as separate bills outside of budget reconciliation, they won't get passed. Repubs are not interested in doing the people's business, and, despite the rhetoric, they really aren't interested in compromise, they are only interested in regaining power, and their trick is delay, add amendments, not because they would vote for the bill if the amendments were there, but to add amendments to suck up floor time so as to delay as long as possible, and when the vote comes, they will block ALL dem bills so they can put forth the argument dems are incompetent and can't get bills passed, as an argument to get people to vote for them.

    How do we know this? Because that is what McConnell/republicans, etc., did to Obama. On the ACA, Obama bent over backwards to work with the repubs, and they added some 160 or so amendments to the ACA over a 14 month period, and when time came to vote on it, not one republican voted for it.

    See? They NEVER had any intention of voting for the bill all along, they just wanted to delay it as long as possible, and hopefully kill it, if possible. Well, for 70 days or so, it happened that Obama got a filibuster proof majority, and in that small window, dems passed the ACA without one repub vote, and then the repubs whined that it was not 'bipartisan' this was after we spent 14 months with one amendment to it after another. With McConnell as minority leader, we can expect more of the same.

    So, the reason is simple, really. Dems know repubs are going to block every bill they put on the floor, and they know one of our own won't vote to kill the filibuster, then they are going to put as much in the budget reconciliation bill as possible, given that only one per fiscal year is allowed, eh?

    So, the essence of the thing is republicans give us no choice.

    If republicans would quit abusing the filibuster, maybe we could work like we used to, before things started going downhill after Gingrich was speaker in the 90s, once upon a time.

    I guess that is too much to ask.
     
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    oh please you act as though Democrats didn't just spend the last 4 years obstructing the president every time he turned around
     
  3. Patricio Da Silva

    Patricio Da Silva Well-Known Member Donor

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    That was after repubs blocked everything during Obama.

    Let's get the timeline of the causality chain straight. Y'all screwed Obama on Garland, abused the filibuster more times than any prior administration in history, forced Reid to nuke the filibuster on bench appointments because repubs were blocking federal judge appointments when there was a big backlog of cases and judgeships needed to be filled, and then you elected a malignant narcissist for president with a history of shadowy biz deals and associations, so don't expect the warm and fuzzy treatment from us.
     
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    Laughable nonsense. Less that 20% of the amount two trillion goes to COVID relief. That rest is wasteful, unrelated pork and payoffs to Libs.
     
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    You will get back what you gave over the last 4 years.
     
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    Is this all because they're actually being forced to read whats in it? I mean, I wouldn't want to do that either... but its kinda their job to read it first.
     
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    No, loyal Americans spent the past 4 years fighting your orange quisling’s rampant corruption and seditious attempts to destroy our country.
     
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    We need to keep after the trump gang until all the guilty ones are locked up.
     
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    'guilty' of what?
     
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    Lol, hysterical hyperbole, it's what's for breakfast!
     
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    Amazing, Trumpublicans don't even know what they've been doing the past 4 years. Didn't Father Corruption tell them?

    Well, it will be right there on the court docket.
     
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    You appear to be at a loss for words
     
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    Followed by irrefutable proof of criminal sedition for lunch and a whole flock of brown-nosed conservative pols fawning on a fat con man for dinner. Dessert will be the much-deserved and permanent end of conservatism in American politics.
     
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    Never that. Why don't we begin with the several counts of obstruction of justice, which the Mueller report was prevented from prosecuting ONLY by Trump's being President, which he's not anymore, thank god. Then we can move on to tax violations and money laundering to start, and there's also the ever-popular sedition, treason, maybe even espionage as time and investigations go on.

    Donald Trump will be imprisoned to the day he dies, or is given a benevolent release
     
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    Seems to me last year there was a bill for Covid-19 relief not as big as this one but Pelosi and Company didn't like it because it didn't have any pork in it even though the 1st Covid-10 bill was stuffed with things for the Humanities of the Arts and Kennedy Center.

    Pelosi and company don't want to talk about they still have unused money from that 1st relief package.

    Money that goes to Corporations in the form of deregulation and lower taxes is an investment in the economy and the expansion of the work force. I may be wrong but I think people would prefer a job over continued hand-outs and temporary relief programs.

    Now then

    Do we really need to be spending money a National Guard Force in Washington DC until May?

    Do we really need to be bringing in illegals with Covid-19 and busing them all over the USA?

    Do we really need to be allowing illegals in at the border and providing them with shelter, food, medicine, driver licenses, education, protection from prosecution of crimes, jobs and legal aid?

    Do we really need to provide money to states that are fiscally in trouble due to bad management?

    Do we need to provide money to school districts that we know is just a Union give-away?

    Do we need to start the cycle of high inflation with a $15.00 an hour mandatory minimum wage?

    Do we need to put in the Bill monies for a permanent Child Care Credit?

    I'm sure if we all read the 668 pages of this bill we could add many more useless items to discuss. With all the trillions of dollars this country has already spent on social programs maybe we need to re-access what and why we still have problems like:

    Homelessness and people living in tent cities.

    Joblessness mainly among our youth and minorities.

    Food Banks begging for donations because they can't provide enough.

    A high rate of poverty for a so called advanced educated society.

    A large portion of our working class living from week to week and no savings to speak of.

    A education system that consistently fails our youth and young leaders of tomorrow.

    A Nation that wants to turn a blind eye to drug use and it's effects on the country.

    A Nation in retreat on racism and respect for each other and the rule of law.
     
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    And you call Q conspiracies the stuff of tin foil caps....
     
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    It cost nothing to dream.
     
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    :applause::applause::applause::applause::applause::applause:
     
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    The OP is just repeating talking points from the dems and the MSM, He sounds like a frustrated non-thinking underachiever. He gave himself away when he wants to soak the rich and give to his ilk. Sad for our great country.
     
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    Where is the analysis that proves this to be true?

    If the rich man is paying a million dollars in taxes and the poor man is not paying any taxes at all, shouldn't the poor man be paying his fair share?
     
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    Wrong, as usual, the covid economy given a tax structure that gives a pass to megacorps, friends of Dems, and dependent on the little guys you largely shut down for revenue, isn't getting you squat.
     
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    Oops.

    Somebody said the quiet part out loud.

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    He is.
     
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    How is paying nothing, his fair share?
     
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    Of all the things we complain about regarding Trump and his behavior, I find his misuse of the Justice Department the most disgusting and disturbing.
     
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