No, Republicans ARE the problem, and here is the 'why' of the Covid bill

Nah, to point fingers at the rich is hypocritical at best.. Everyone wants to keep their money. Democrats and Republicans alike.. Take a stroll around frisco and revel in the Mega rich Democrats and then step out to the outlaying trash heaps they pushed all the little people that used to live there to.

It's a great perspective of how the all great and generous rich Democrats will be

 

Never a truer post was authored here. Well done!

 

I can't believe so many ignorant people who believe the poor pay all the taxes while the rich pay none. A little checking on line would give them the facts.

 

The essential difference between the deficit spending measures of Trump and Biden is the tax cut came at a time when GDP was growing at around 2% with the preponderance of the tax cut benefitting the rich while causing structural deficits. The relief bill (besides $ for COVID shots and vaccine production/distribution) targets children living in poverty, those who have lost their jobs, those who are struggling to provide basic needs for themselves and their families...........and as opposed to the tax cut.........is popular with the majority of Americans.

 

So then they will die of starvation within a couple of months?

 

We have to shrink the gap between the ever widening gap between the super rich and the poor.

In every country that failed to do that, revolution was always the result, and outcomes of revolutions are never good.
listen to Nick Hanauer, a 1%-er



And, if you don't understand it, understand this: it is happening NOT because of 'hard work'. It is happening because of the advent of neoliberalism ( away from keynesianism ) which began with Reagan.

 

Pretty much yep.

 

Every country. Wow. You have proof of course.

 

What did ge (mis)use them for?

 

Then why worry?

 

Listen to the video, please. "Many countries" (russia, china, Cuba, Venezuela, Chile, and others)--- that better?

 

You do realize there are millions of corporations in America, the majority net less than a million a year. The do not have congress critters creating tax set a sides for their business unlike GE, Elon Musk , Amazon et al.

 

There are about two hundred countries on the face of this earth. Nearly everyone of them has or had super rich.

 

Listen to the video, please. We still have to shrink the ever widening gap between the rich and poor.

Yes, and the entire world is rife with revolutions,
Scroll down to 1900 to present

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_revolutions_and_rebellions

 

In spite of that wealth difference, the majority of the people in the US are comfortable in their life. They are not about to run through the countryside waging battle against law enforcement and the US military. That would take their comfortable life to one of misery. The people in the US are smarter than that. No video is going to convince me any differently.

The world is in general very peaceful. In those countries where there is strife, it is not because of poor people trying to get more money.. It is the result of despot rulers trying to expand their own wealth.

 

None of that is relevant to what is happening in this country. Listen to the video, please.

 

Rather than watching a video. Look around the real world. Think about your neighbors, relatives and friends. Picture them in a revolution.

 

Not a speck of common sense in that at all. It wouldn't bother me much if I thought it was just your way of supporting the bill or buying votes. But I think you actually believe it and that is very scary to me if it is true.

 

Most recently, the refusal to further investigate four cabinet members who were flagged by the IG. Or maybe you'd prefer that he used them to interfere with Trump's most recent rape allegation? If you look it up, you'll find a list of occasions.

 

Ah, so, just more 'preventing the DOJ from being a tool for political witch hunts for one team = using the DOJ for political witch hunts for the other team.'

 

Bold: If they won't get passed based on their own merits then they should not be passed at all. It means they are failures as a policy.

Underlined: Saying this shows that you haven't been paying attention. 1: Both parties always want to regain power when they are out of power. 2: The House just passed HR 1, a bill designed to keep Democrats in power as much as possible. Including starting the process for introducing a new State that they KNOW votes for them by a wide margin.

All in all your paragraph here is nothing more than talking points that blames all the ills on one side while ignoring what the other side is doing. IE: A highly partisan post.

After I read your first line I skimmed your post for when you talked about the non-covid related items because I was more interested in your take on that. I wasn't surprised that you defended them. Nor was I surprised that you did so in a highly partisan manner. And you just proved that you don't care about compromise nor are you interested in "doing the people's business". If you were then you would not be defending non-covid items being in a bill that is supposed to be about covid. You are all the things that you claimed Republicans are in your post.

 

Says the party who passed the tax cuts for the super rich causing deficits to careen out of control.
Your party's judgement on such matters is crap.
Moreover, repubs are not filibustering based on 'merit', they are filibustering because it's a dem bill. That is the ONLY reason.

Of course dems want to stay in power. That wasn't the point, we want to stay in power and get stuff done, the repubs are not interested in letting dems get bills passed because they are afraid they will pass stuff that is popular so they vote against ALL dem bills, not because they don't have merit, but for power's sake, and power's sake alone.

Again, insofar as what has merit and what doesn't, republican opinion on such matters has no credibility. Their judgement is crap.

Oh, I'm well aware of dems shortcomings, but compared to the party that is still behind Trump, that party is deluded.
There's a reason I'm a democrat, because, having been a republican once in my lfe and witnessing the la la land crap the right has drifted into, no way could I remain there.

Of course I would defend the non-covid items? Why?

Hey, I told you. And now I will repeat:

Like I said, we know the repubs are gong to filibuster everything, NOt because it 'doesn't have merit' but because it's coming from dems, that is why we put as much stuff in the bill as possible. Blame McConnell.

And what do you care, your party allowed deficits to careen out of control like a drunken sailor without a credit card

What the **** do you care what the bill is and what costs? Republicans have no ground to stand on when it comes to budgets and costs, they are no longer the conservative party. The bill's got a lot of good stuff. is it perfect? No bill is.

No bill is going to please everyone, but there is a lot in it that I like.

 

I don't have a party. :shrug: I support people and ideas. I do not support any party. They're all crap. And always have been. I've never supported one and I never will.

You mean unlike Dems who pass bills knowing that they won't be supported by Republicans because they put something into the bill that they know Republican's won't go for? That way they can go "See! They're against <insert whatever good thing the bill is actually supposed to be about all the while ignoring that they purposely put bill killing pork into the bill>. The only difference between Republican's and Democrats is how they go about opposing the other side.

Riiiighht...That's why Dems just shat on Dr. Seuss for nothing more than what is in their imaginations. Dem judgement is no better.

So you go to another party that is deluded? That makes no sense.

I've never once cared about the cost. Boo! Surprised? Government is going to spend. Its what it does. And there hasn't been a single President that hasn't increased the debt or the deficit. Even Clinton at his best was only at best paying off the interest better than any other President, the debt still continued to grow however and never once went down under him. I learned that during the Obama years. What I do care about is money going to things that aren't needed and I care about special interests getting kickbacks because they spent money to support a politician. I also care about bills being passed with things in them that have nothing to do with what the bill is about. If they have to stuff it into a needed unrelated bill in order to get it passed then its a failure. As I said before. So, its not about a bill being "perfect". That is a fantasy. Like you said, every bill is going to have things in them that people don't like. That is actually what a compromise is supposed to be about. But there isn't even any sort of compromise going on when Dems are in power. Its their way, or the highway. The past covid relief bills got passed with a supermajority bi-partisan support after much wrangling and unneeded things being stripped out. This one is not going to be. Its going to be completely one sided and stuffed with things that are on just one parties wish list. That's the side that you support in case you didn't know.

 

Okay, 'your side', then. You take the opposing side to all my posts, that can only mean you are voting for whom I oppose, if you vote at all.

Dems can't help it if the right has drifted so far to the right as to be out of touch with the majority. I offered on this forum, in another OP, "okay Republicans, how about a $12 minimum wage? Not one Republican has supported it, noting that, adjusting for inflation, $12 is the same as it was in 1968, when unemployment was 3.8%. Not one republican on this forum answered in the affirmative. So, that fact really squashes your premise, that 'dems are deliberately voting for stuff repubs don't want', it's like, you know, it can't be helped because the right has fallen way to the right of the spectrum that it's totally ridiculous. We believe in a minimum wage, and if the right's only compromise is no minimum wage, how does that work? We could have found common ground pre-Gingrich, some 35 years ago, but not in the post Gingrich era. And, even when minor reasonable compromises are accepted as amendments, but when accepted, they don't vote for the bill, anyway.

But you don't seem to get that point.

I'll grant you that my liberal Bretheren take things too far, and we get it wrong some of the time, but it's a false comparison, because republicans get it wrong ALL the time.

I don't agree with that premise, not at all. Like I said, dems aren't perfect, but republicans are in la la land.

I was referring to republicans, and since you take the opposite view on everything I post, you must be in that camp, the camp that pays lip service to such things, only.

Under Clinton, via bipartisanship, he ended his term with a billion dollar surplus.
That was never achieved under any republican president. What the **** do you want? And note that budgetary increases is built into the system, so therein lies the problem.

Yeah, there are systemic problems, so what else is new?

Like I said, republicans, who once touted they are the party of fiscal responsibility, they are no longer and only pay lip service to it.
Since you take the opposite side to every premise I offer on this forum, that puts you in the opposite camp that pays lip service to such things, whether you declare yourself a republican or not.

Like I said, before, we know republicans are going to filibuster everything. Knowing that, you can't blame us for putting everything in the rescue bill that we can get away with, stuff that, had we put it in separate bills, would never have gotten passed.

Blame McConnell, he's the one to does the 'filibuster everything' strategy.

We got one more BR to do, so, brace yourself for that one, republicans are going to have a conniption, but infrastructure has got to be done, and letting corporations own all the highways and bridges is not the solution ( it's the republican's solution, put tolls on highways and bridges ).

 

This was always going to be a party line vote. Compromise is the exception rather than the rule in Washington.