Would you republicans vote for a $12 minimum wage?

What we do is put together a commission to study it and provide that data for policy recommendation, and go from there.

It's not that difficult, really. I'd say a 40 hour week, studio apartment, money for basic needs and some extra disposable income plus a little to save each week, and yes, different regions vary. set the baseline to the areas with the lowest cost of living, and mandate each state to set minimums from there, for their respective cities/regions, provide that data to the federal commission for region based minimums for a federal policy, and index them. There has to be federal agency established to provide oversight to state run minimum wage programs.

 

That's pretty much what I and other members here promote. Different minimums in different states. The federal government should stay out of the issue.

 

I'd vote for any kind of wage a person wants to pay another person without the government getting itself involved. It's called freedom you should really try it. You think you're worth $20 an hour? Go for it!

 

No, there does not. The states have the ability to make autonomous decisions without the nanny state spending millions of dollars per year on bureaucratic agencies to "oversee" every single thing that goes on in each state. Bunch on pencil pushers doing nothing but drawing charts and graphs and reporting to more bureaucrats. Worthless waste of time and money.

 

Why does there have to be a baseline? Would you say there must be a baseline price for everything traded, or does this need for a baseline only apply to labor? Would you agree to a law that said, if you buy something, you must spend at least $11 for it?

You're confusing a measuring system with the system being measured. Currency is simply a gauge people use to represent value. It is an instrument, like a ruler, a graduated cylinder, or a scale. Value is a subjective quality that ranges from no value to immeasurable value based on factors of individual preference & supply. It is a relative quality. Someone that is good at making something values the things they make less than the things they find difficult to make, for example. An individual product is valued by different people differently. This creates an appearance of a subjective quality to our currency, but that subjectivity is not inherent to the currency, it's inherent to the value people trade with that currency.

What you're asking for is exactly the same as saying there needs to be a baseline height for human beings, and we're going to add more lines on our rulers so that everyone can be at least 75 inches tall. It does not solve the problem you want to solve.

 

I spent all day pumping water from a well. At the end of the day there wasn't enough water to take care of my needs for the week. Next week I'll use the minimum wage argument and pump the same amount of water into a larger bucket. Let's see how it goes.

 

Well you poo-pooed those items I was willing to trade for your minimum wage, so I'm unclear what you mean by negotiation and compromise. If you will accept a $12 dollar minimum wage, but not give up anything in exchange for it, you haven't compromised anything. You just got a minimum wage hike.

That's why your side can't really compromise or negotiate. You really have no intention of doing either.

But of course that's standard Dem operating procedure. The weird thing for me is that I just can't believe you honestly care about wage rates for the poor and working class when you do everything possible to sabotage wage rates, that pleases corporate interests that you claim you hate...

 

Ya mean like Christine Blasey Ford who flew to Delaware to conspire with friends despite testifying under oath that the non-assault left her scared of flying. Oh, and the extra door she claimed was out of fear, only to have it revealed that she leased back part of the home she bought for an office with a separate entrance. You'll have to come up with better alibis after claiming a female rape victim can never be questioned.

 

Would you republicans vote for a $12 minimum wage?
No, federal minimum wage is an idealistic demagogic pipe dream. I am too supportive of first time and low skilled workers to kick them out of a job, and too supportive of small entrepreneur businesses to want them to go belly up (which is why Amazon is in favor of raising the minimum wage.)

 

I don't know what the Republicans would do. I would prefer a tiered system like OMB does with civil service. They give locality pay based on where one works. The base pay is the same, but locality pay makes it more even depending on your local. Hence someone working for civil service in California gets much more in locality pay than someone working in Mississippi although both are the same pay grade.

The cost of living is much higher in California, New York than in Mississippi or Georgia. The minimum wage could be raised depending on the area one lives and works instead of a one size fits all model where raising the minimum wage to 15 dollars would really hurt businesses in places where the cost of living is about half of that in California. You could divide up the U.S. into certain areas for the raise and how much depending on the cost of living instead of one size fits all which it doesn't.

I live and worked for DOD in Georgia, spent a lot of time going TDY to different posts around the U.S. A meal I paid 8 dollars for cost me 12 in Seattle while TDY to Ft. Lewis. The same hotel room, same chain, etc. cost me 60 dollars here, in Seattle it was over 100. Gas, I fill up in Georgia for 2.40 a gallon, filling up my rental car in Seattle, it was over 3 dollars a gallon.

To get the same benefit, someone in Washington state may need that whole 15 dollars, someone in Atlanta or Georgia, 11 dollars would provide the same benefit. Just an idea.Then tie the minimum wage to the rise in the cost of living for the area one is living.

 

I had it wrong, in 1968, the mininum wage was 1.30 which is $11, but the principle is the same.
it was that across the land with unemployment at 3,8% without a problem.

The whole reason i lowered it from the proposed $15 was precisely because $15 in Seattle wont' be $15 in Galveston, so we lower it to $11 today, which Manchin supported, and more expensive cities like L.A, and Seattle ( which has it at $15 already ) can raise it from there. In San Diego, the minimum wage is $14 and all of the fast food places have no problem.

 

No, there should be a baseline. Manchin supports $11, which, adjusting for inflation, is the same as it was in the 60s when it was $1.30 and low unemployment. I'd accept that.

 

You want quality then you pay for it.

 

I explained it , read my comment again.

 

So your saying wealth is finite.

 

I can't go below $10.

 

it was $1.30 in 1968, which is $11. That worked fine then and there is no reason to change it, so the current minimum is way too low.
The baseline should be $11 and more expensive cities can go higher from there.

 

No, you just declared it as a given. How does having a baseline stop Chinese people from making little value and living 8 to a bed?

 

What does that have to do with a min wage?

 

Manchin has his opinion. You have your opinion. I have mine. It doesn't actually matter what anyone will "accept".

The absolute minimum wage is zero. Always has been. Always will be. If the feds were to raise to $15 and a company lays off 1 out of 2 employees because of that, then one employee makes $15 and the other makes $0.

 

No, Cathy Newman, that statement doesn't follow the argument. Value is not finite. It's subjective. The amount of water I pumped on the first day certainly is finite. Putting that amount in a larger bucket does not have any effect on the value of the water that was pumped.

I can certainly use my labor to improve the efficiency of the pump to produce more water. That would add value to my labor.
I can add something to the water I pumped to improve it. That might add value to my labor.
I can find a buyer that values my water more than I do. That would add value to my labor.

I can't just declare arbitrarily that the water I'm pumping will be sufficient next week because I measured it differently.

No clue. I'm waiting for him to explain.

 

Your the one that posted.

How does having a baseline stop Chinese people from making little value and living 8 to a bed?

So you explain.

 

My the one that posted?

Patricio the one that posted. I was asking him about his low wage Chinese premise. You should read past the first sentence in posts.

 

The bigger point is only a tiny percentage of people work for the federal minimum wage. BLS says around 3%; mostly young, part-timers, living in middle class homes. If states or other localities want to pass higher MW’s I have no problems; the “one size fits all” approach coming from Washington is wasteful, ineffective and disruptive in some cases.

I don’t think MW boosters understand that raising MW will like raise prices and other expenses so MWers are still gonna be on the bottom.

 

What does it matter if I give you 10 dollars or 14,000 Rupies if they both represent the same amount of value?

It's not the number that's important. It's the value the number represents.