Turning Jesus into God

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God or Messenger of God .. does it matter ?

  1. Yes - it matters ..

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  2. No - it does not

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  3. Other - I don't understand the question .. need more information .. @#$% - does not compute !

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  1. Giftedone

    Giftedone Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    There are a number of topics - all related to the fabric of space .. you were talking satellites .. which was the topic of time dilation.. addressing the goal post that you put out.

    You are completely lost on the other main topic as well though .. your claim that outer space is "Empty" - and has no properties - physical or otherwise - sans dimension - was proven false .. and it is you who moved the goal post - and is now trying to project your sneaky avoidance tactics onto others.

    And what you are avoiding - is your mission to find me a cubic meter of space in our galaxy - that is empty - ZERO -NADA were your words.. NOTHING.

    and with that your argument is "Crucified"
     
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    1) I asked for the definition of the 'fabric of space' because I cant find a definition for it, not related topics.

    "fabric of space"

    The words you've entered isn't in the dictionary. Click on a spelling suggestion below or try again using the search bar above.

    fabric softener
    a waste of space
    anchor space
    anchor spaces
    metric space
    metric spaces
    variable spacer

    https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/"fabric of space"


    2) you cant crucify something you never addressed. LOL

    I did not ask you about time dilation, thats your gig and the question I did ask you dodged, because you do not know enough about physics beyond laymans talking points to answer it. (if even that much)

    To the contrary you proved you do need it LOL

    3) False I gave you the correct answer for both space and outer-space.

    in reference to 'time compression'
    you seem to have incredible difficulty with making simple distinctions.
    Time neither compresses nor expands.


    I already proved weener is wrong.
    You proved you dont even recognize the proof when you see it.
    Sort of disqualifies you ya know :mrgreen: LOL
     
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    Giftedone Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Why you asking me LOL Once again you move the goal post. You claimed outer space is empty - yet have not been able to find on cubic meter of this "empty space" - in the whole galaxy.

    and no amount of calling Einstein names - is going to change this fact.

    Your argument is Crucified .. you need to realize when you are beaten .. learn your lesson .. and move on.

    I see no movement on your part - towards enlightenment.
     
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    because its your claim, I would never use such a meaningless stupid phrase, frankly.
    any more than I would claim time or space warped, or agree with any other part of science that you have adopted as your religion.
    but then I dont speak laymans pop physics very well.
    Its your dodge, that I told you it was nutty, seems webster agrees! Even the word 'aint' can be found in the dictionary, but not 'fabric of space' its your fantasy! LOL
    Why is that every time people defnding bullshit want to post lies they never quote the claims?
    More bullshit, never made the claim, QUOTE IT! LOL
    Its not my job to enlighten you.
    Try responding to the arguments if you want to continue this discussion, Ive seen enough.
     
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    Lol koko still things he’s disproven Einstein and all of modern physics

    :roflol::roflol::roflol::roflol::roflol::roflol::roflol::roflol:
     
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    Giftedone Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Now you are trying to backtrack from your claim.. you claimed many times that Space consists of nothing.

    and your argument was crucified.

    You claimed time dilation was not accounted for in GPS - and were proven wrong.

    Now you call me a dodger - ..projecting your avoidance tactics onto others.
     
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    you arent a dodger, you are about an 8 x dodger.
    weener fantasies were not used to set up and align the gps, sorry.
    I gave you all references and papers that any 101 physics student can easily figure that out for themselves.
    you crucified yourself quite nicely
     
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    I gave you a link previously - if you don't believe that GPS takes into account time dilation - you are welcome to your fantasy.. but you are the only one dodging ..

    here is another link - this one from the Astronomy Dept at Ohio State University .. Perhaps you need to send them your papers .. as you clearly did not understand what you were reading .. but in any case ..


    Real-World Relativity: The GPS Navigation System
    Your argument is "Crucified" - -

    still waiting for you to come up with a cubic meter of empty space in our Galaxy -- Mr. Dodger .. and projector of your failings onto others.

     
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    FALSE I never said such a thing which is why you can never quote me LOL

    Time does not 'compress', time dilation is NOT a weener theory, you are as usual making more false claims.


    It never ceases to amaze me how some people make incredible efforts to look like fools.

    Ron Hatch is the person who designed the gps nav system not your weenee worshipers.
    Weenerivity was not used, sorry.


    For those who prefer 'fact' over fiction:


    [​IMG] Official U.S. government information about the
    Global Positioning System (GPS) and related topics

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    Ronald R. Hatch

    Ron Hatch passed away on September 25, 2019, while serving his fifth term as a member of the National Space-Based PNT Advisory Board.

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    Ron Hatch was an expert in the use of GPS for precision farming, as well as other high precision applications. He became a private consultant after retiring from John Deere, where he was formerly the Director of Navigation Systems Engineering and a Principal and co-founder of NavCom Technology, Inc., a John Deere company. NavCom provides a commercially operated differential GPS augmentation service to the agriculture industry and other high accuracy users.

    Throughout his more than 50 year career in satellite navigation systems with Johns Hopkins Applied Physics Laboratory and companies such as Boeing and Magnavox, Hatch was noted for his innovative algorithm design for Satellite Navigation Systems. [because nasa could not get weinersteins relativity to work properly] He consulted for a number of companies and government agencies developing dual-frequency carrier-phase algorithms for landing aircraft, multipath mitigation techniques, carrier phase measurements for real time differential navigation at the centimeter level, algorithms and specifications for Local Area Augmentation System, high-performance GPS and communication receivers, and Kinematic DGPS. In addition to the Hatch-Filter Technique, Hatch obtained numerous patents and wrote many technical papers involving innovative techniques for navigation and surveying using the TRANSIT and GPS navigation satellites. He also authored "Escape From Einstein" and published multiple papers in which he challenged current relativity theory.

    In 1994, Hatch received the Johannes Kepler Award from the Institute of Navigation (ION) for sustained and significant contributions to satellite navigation. In 2000 he received the Thomas L. Thurlow Award and was elected a Fellow of the ION. He also served the ION as both the Chair of the Satellite Division and as President.

    https://www.gps.gov/governance/advisory/members/hatch/

    [emphasis laughingly added]

    Physics central? :boo: :deadhorse: :lol:
    :roflol::roflol::roflol::roflol::roflol::roflol::roflol::roflol::roflol:
     
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    Dude .. if you don't disagree with me .. then why have you been ranting - post after post .. but glad you figured out that time dilation is used for GPS .. regardless of whether or not it was Einstein .. fellow you call weenie.

    This leaves your "empty space" claim - Did you find any of that for me yet ?
     
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    Time dilation is not time compression or expansion.

    I never claimed time does not dilate in terms of lorentz, or in this case a modified lorentz.

    Time dilation is due to defective time measuring equipment, anyone claiming I have ever claimed otherwise is simply making up strawman lies.

    Im happy you finally figured out that weenerivity was not used.

    Lets see, for you that leaves;
    warping outer space
    warping time
    temperature in outer space
    SR and GR

    so many fantasies! LOL
    X*Y*Z

    weenerivity did not work!
     
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    I did not say it was - my claim was simply that GPS systems use it - and you have been ranting on - post after post -arguing against a big Strawman that you have built - because that's all you have - Mr. Einstein is a Weenie -

    What is it that you got against ol Albert anyway - :brushteeth::brushteeth::brushteeth:
     
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    Here:
    https://www.livescience.com/space-time.html

    Here too:
    https://www.esa.int/Science_Exploration/Space_Science/Space-time_as_an_elastic_fabric

    And here, including the discovery of gravitational waves, exactly as predicted by Einstein:
    https://www.ligo.caltech.edu/news/ligo20160211

    You're welcome.
     
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    There's this wacky theory that Einstein's relativity is a Jewish conspiracy, that Jews corrupt science somehow.
    https://www.scientificamerican.com/...-attacked-einstein-s-jewish-science-excerpt1/
     
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    My opinion is that some of the scribes who copied the gospels introduced their own views on the controversies around the nature of Jesus. The Barabbas episode, for instance, was probably written by someone who didn't believe a god could be killed by humans. Barabbas - called Jesus Barabbas according to Origen and others - means "son of the father" in Aramaic, a title reserved to Jesus. Freeing Barabbas meant letting the god go, while imprisoning only the body that served as the god's temporary vessel. Which explains very well the "Why have you forsaken me" cry.
     
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    weenee changed science into religion, metaphysics, not physics.

    Just look at all the looney things so called physicists believe because weenee said so.

    c is not a speed limit. never was never will be.

    https://www.quora.com/Why-did-Nikola-Tesla-reject-general-relativity

    Nikola Tesla's estimated IQ scores range between 160 to 310.
    Einstein's estimated IQ scores range between 160 to 190.

    Einstein was once asked what it was like to be the smartest man alive.
    He replied “I don't know, you'll have to ask Nikola Tesla.”
    There is absolutely no doubt that Nikola Tesla was one of the greatest inventors ever.
    His endeavours dictated the electrical revolution which would allow it to run todays modern world.Oct 5, 2014
    Nikola Tesla- The Man Who Lit Up The World – Scientific Scribbles

    Nikola Tesla > Quotes > Quotable Quote

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    “Einstein's relativity work is a magnificent mathematical garb which fascinates, dazzles and makes people blind to the underlying errors. The theory is like a beggar clothed in purple whom ignorant people take for a king... its exponents are brilliant men but they are metaphysicists rather than scientists.”

    ― Nikola Tesla Read more quotes from Nikola Tesla


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    Seems ole tesla has finally been proven correct!
     
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    Not true, your claim was in reference to weeners time dilation which is metaphysics, iow religious beliefs.

    As shown previously mine is with a modified lorentz version as Ron Hatch corrected weener.

    In the context of special relativity it was shown by Albert Einstein (1905) that this effect concerns the nature of time itself, and he was also the first to point out its reciprocity or symmetry.[6]
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Time_dilation

    The nature, or definition of time does not change just because weenee and his disciples are believers.

    You seem to think that if you throw enough **** at the wall you will sooner or later get something to stick and sometimes people get lucky.

    Time dilation was YOUR latest goal post position, not mine.
    warping outer space
    warping time
    temperature in outer space
    SR and GR
    fabric of space
    now time dilation

    all of which were proven incorrect. this is your little fiasco not mine.
     
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    Oh? So its really the fabric of 'weenees space-time' model, not the fabric of "space".
    Thanks for the confirmation, though I doubt thats what you intended.
    Of course, they have to justify throwing our money away somehow, dont they.......
    It goes without saying that gravity exerts a force on every mass around it at great distances. If you zap a large enough gravitational force out of existence, everything it originally affected will shift accordingly. I do not buy into the tremor=wave BS either, sorry.

    I see absolutely no difference between this: https://www.ligo.caltech.edu/video/ligo20160211v3 and the joining of 2 vortices in water.

    Thats reasonable enough since there were some 20 odd holocaust hoaxes perpetrated by J-Ws to get free money between 1850 and 1940.
     
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    Yes he does. Verse 57, the Jews asked him, how could he have seen Abraham since he wasn't even 50 years old. (Jesus was 33 years old) Jesus answered them that he was the Great I AM. And, we know that Jehovah called himself the Great I AM (Exodus 3:14). Therefore, Jesus is Jehovah of the Old Testament. Jesus was not just a man. He was one of the members of the Godhead who came down off His throne to atone for our sins. I never said Jesus was the "Father." in the sense a member of the Godhead or the Father of Jesus. But, Jesus was called "The Everlasting Father" by Isaiah (Isaiah 9:6) So, how is he or becomes a "Father-Like" figure? Easy. He is our Everlasting "Redeemer" and redeems us to be one of His children in the long run. We still have our Father of our Spirits, Elohim. But, we are redeemed to Christ. Try not to get all bloviated.
     
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    You're just flat out wrong about this and every single thing you have EVER said about Einstein and space/time.

    There are Einstein based corrections in GPS even just for satellite altitude and speed changes.
     
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    Interesting.

    I don't believe humans can maintain an identical story through word of mouth or through the numerous written variations of the time that haven't survived, but can't help to have been influential.

    Another example is that it seems pretty clear that Paul made some personal interpretations when in Rome, dealing with the Roman view of Christianity at the time.
     
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    Moving from what various people/gods said to what actually was done ...

    It's just startling when comparing the OT law of Moses/Abraham, the slaughter of Jericho and the Midianites, the drowning of all animals other than those in the ark, etc. and the acts and attitudes of Jesus who preached acceptance and aid to sinners and in Matthew 25 even pointed to the hell that awaits even his own followers who fail to live up to those ideals of personal aid to the criminals, poor and sick among us.

    To me, these are two DRAMATICALLY different religions.

    And, suggesting they are ruled by the same god seems to be as wild a claim as the very idea that there might BE gods.
     
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    Different times, different law. The Law of Moses was a preparatory law to the Law of Christ. The LOM required animal sacrifice of the first born to teach Israel of the coming of the sacrifice of the Savior, the first born of the Father. His only begotten born son in the flesh. After this sacrifice, the animal sacrifice was replaced with the Sacraments.
    The people of the time understood physical punishment. The people of Christ's time to ours understand spiritual punishment. Different times. The trouble with atheists is their religion of Darwin evolution is more brutal as witnessed with Stalin, Mao, Hitler and others. Watch as the current Democrats in America will resort to much of the same brutality towards anyone who won't go along with their fascist communism.
     
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    That is an interesting take on Forsaken .. have to ponder it more.

    100% some of the scribe took "Artistic License" and I have probably 10 examples off the top of my head if your are interested.

    In general passages dealing with other Gods - particularly those that dealt with ancient Israelite belief in these other Gods - were often edited, redacted, removed. Deut 32:43 for example is supposed to read .. From the LXX - Septuagint

    "O heavens, rejoice with Him
    Bow to Him, all sons of the divine

    O nations, rejoice with His people
    and let all angels of the divine strengthen themselves in Him.

    For He’ll avenge the blood of His sons,
    be vengeful, and wreak vengeance and recompense justice on his foes
    And the Lord will Cleanse His people’s land"



    The next is exactly the same passage in the Masoretic Text (MT) - the test most widely used as the basis for translation for modern Bibles.
    This text comes from a group of Jews called Masorites and was compiled 1000 years after the LXX (700-1000 AD)

    "O nations, rejoice His people

    For He’ll avenge the blood of His servants and wreak vengeance on His foes
    And will cleanse His people’s land"


    Its like HUH .. what happened to all the Sons of God - Angels and so on. Then if you go to a modern Bible - the MT text is given but even this is altered -completely losing the idea of "Cleansing the land" .. and it is God's land not the peoples land in modern text.

    Gone . .done .. the passage has been edited into oblivion.
     
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