The Church Killed God

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  1. The Rhetoric of Life

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    And its followers are all sinners who won't repent.
     
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    hmmmmmm... interesting. I sort of agree? I think christianity became corrupted after the council of Nicea, and served man rather than god. But I think a lot of christians still do their best to be good and charitable people. But plenty of others have used christianity to justify atrocities. I guess it just comes down to how spiritual you are. If you are truly spiritual, then you are truly following god, doing what your soul is telling you is right, as that comes directly from god/creator/universe/ or whatever you label it. If you are looking at the bible, which man made, and using what is written there to justify views and actions that are hateful and judgemental, then yeah, you are a sinner, lol.
     
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    What caused Christianity to be corrupted at the Nicene council? Tell us specifically what you are talking about.
     
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    The roman emperor Constantine wanted an official religion for the empire, as this would give him a framework to control the population. If you control their religion, you control the people. It has been used to justify the actions of governments ever since. Those at the council decided what would and would not go into it, excluding that which did not allow them to control the people. The bible comes from man, not god. At least not entirely from god.
     
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    Here we go again, religion wants to control people, the Bible is a man made document, yadda, yadda, yada...

    Do you know what happened at the Nicene council? It doesnt sound like it.

    The reality is that Constantine called the Nicene council to get the Eastern and Western Churchs to settle their differences and unite the empire, he didn't "need" religion to control the people, he was the emperor! Caesar Nero told the people he was God.
     
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    He may not have "needed" it, but it would have been far more difficult to control people, and he recognized that. So you are saying there was no decision on what did and did not go into the bible?
     
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    That's not what happened at the Nicene council, and no, historically, Rome didn't "need" religion to control people, they had an army for that.
     
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    Yeah, that worked so well when the western barbarians brought Rome to its knees. It was only after they were all converted to Christianity that the area was able to be controlled, using religion based on the book that Emperor Constantine authorized.
     
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    You haven't gotten one thing right yet, why start now?
     
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    Care to explain what I’ve got wrong? I guess rulers didn’t say they had divine right to rule over peasants? The church wasn’t used as a means to control the masses? People were not put to death for going against the will of the church?
     
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    Everything. The Nicene council was called to decide Jesus' relationship to God, nothing was decided about the books of the Bible. Constantine died before the sack of Rome, not after. After him they got another Pagan.The idea of the divine right of kings didn't come along for hundreds of years later. And no, the government didn't use the Church to get even with the peasants.

    You need to find out what really happened instead of reading what these idiots write on forums like this.
     
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    What's so hard to believe about that?
    What is locked up from pubic eyes in the vaults of the Vatican?
    Is the RCC covering up the truth and hiding the light?
     
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    They have really valuable documents, and other stuff that they have bothered to preserve over hundreds of years. Fairly often the left demands that the Church give away historical artifacts because they resent the Church having it.
     
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    Are they classified or just relics protected or a mixture of both?

    I want to see what's classified because I suspect it's knowledge hidden to keep themselves going.
     
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    You can't read it anyway, it's in Latin or Greek some other language you know nothing about.
     
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    Gods work continues on nonetheless. Roughly two thousand years after being scattered, the Jews were restored to their ancient homeland, fulfilling ancient prophecy regarding the rebirth and restoration of Israel. God remembers his people and his covenants. And I have no doubt that there is more to come.
     
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    How about reality? There were quite a few heresies floating about, and the beliefs had to be unified. What the Emperor Constantine did was call all the bishops to an Ecumenical Council, so that they could establish the basic beliefs of Christianity - which is our Creed. I think that was the Council where Santa Claus (Saint Nicholas) punched Arian.

    Had the true beliefs not been established, then Christianity would have ceased to exist.`

    How about an interesting tidbit about the Emperor Constantine. When he decided to move Rome to the Greek City of Byzantium, (Constantinople/Istanbul), and he began to outline his New Rome, the officer accompanying him asked: "But don't you think the city is big enough?" Constantine replied: "I will stop, when the angel in front of me does."

    Two summers ago my family went to a wedding at the church on the Greek island of Paros built by Saint Helen, the Emperor Constantine's mother.


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    mistake
     
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    I think I see your point, but given that most of the folks leaving the church are taking their faith with them to a more personal relationship at home or in small study groups, I think the church is just killing the church.
     
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    Can you imagine the anarchy if there weren't rulers?



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    At least I had nothing to gain,
    not money or elusive fame,
    can those in charge now say the same?

    My problem was I feared my head
    that I might lose it and be dead
    and gave away my rights instead.

    And this is why you foolish folk
    are looked upon now as a joke
    controlled by every criminal bloke

    who can buy the media - Jeannette

     
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    You can go into the Vatican archives if you're a scholar and have permission. Thank God that so many writings were preserved there, or they might have been lost forever. What upsets me is that centuries ago when everything was moved to France for some reason or other, a lot of things were discarded before sending them back to Rome.

    The Vatican's not the only place with old manuscripts and stuff. Saint Catherine's in Sinai has a lot of writings, as does the Monasteries at Mount Athos.
     
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    Are you saying that the pagan rulers couldn't control barbarians? Besides, what makes you think that the barbarians at the gate weren't Christians? Actually they were Arians - a Christian heresy. Arian was the guy Santa Claus (Saint Nicholas) punched at the Council of Nicea.
     
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    beautiful pictures! That would be awesome to visit.

    I see why they want to crush heresies from a government point of view, but I think spirituality should be between yourself and god. Beliefs shouldn’t have to adhere to some central creed. Buddhism has as much truth as Christianity, which has as much truth as the guy who meditated and thought god sent him guidance through meditations. It should be a very personal thing, no structures or priests required. All the answers lie within us.

    my opinion only, and pretty much everyone that is part of an organized religion likely disagrees, lol
     
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    We don't disagree with you because we are part of "organized religion", we disagree with you because your beliefs are incoherent and nonsensical, lol.
     
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    My beliefs closely follow "the law of one". You can find lots about it on the internet if you are interested. I like it because it ties together sicence, the teachings of various religions including christianity, the purpose of existence, etc etc etc all into one overarching theme that everything is one, we are all god, and everything is creation experiencing itself. It's very fascinating.
     

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