The Church Killed God

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  1. it's just me

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    I don't care. If you want to talk theology I'll talk theology with you. If you want to talk history I'll talk history with you. If you want to talk BS and call it history and theology I'm going to call it what it is.
     
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    Josh77 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I mean, this IS the religion and philosophy section of the board. Seems like the perfect place to talk about "BS" as you call it. But it's cool. I'm learning some things from you that I appreciate, like not realizing that the Western Roman Empire was pagan when Rome was sacked. Interesting stuff! My timeline for when what religion emerged where is fuzzy. I'll have to look in to exactly when Christianity started creeping back into the west then.
     
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    Well, the Pope being in Vatican City, Vatican City in Rome, Italy, is a little clue on who the men were who wrote the new testament, as for when exactly? But know who wrote it is a step into finding out when they wrote it.
    Don't take this the wrong way, but, it was Roman soldiers who killed Jesus of Nazareth much like it was American soldiers who killed Osama Bin Laden; THAT'S how you've heard of Jesus of Nazareth, it was the Vatican who had Jesus of Nazareth crucified before it was the Vatican, so they dug up his record in their vaults and made him a figure head.
    He's the Col. Sanders of this religion, his face is on the bucket but he ain't in the kitchen, sorry.
     
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    In stuff I'm reading about now, it talks about how the teachings of Jesus were taken and distortions were cleverly mixed in with truth so as to allow those teachings to be used not only to promote goodness and unity, but also justify atrocities such as holy war and infringement on free will. A similar thing happened with the ancient egyptians. Their original teachings were perverted by the egyptian priesthood. Definitely makes for some interesting reading.
     
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    Perhaps you could provide some examples?

    And leave the Egyptians out of it, one has nothing to do with the other.
     
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  6. Josh77

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    Well, it's from a channeled work, "the Law of One", which is basically a compilation of all the channeling sessions they conducted, involving a being known as "Ra", who was the same Ra from the egyptians, so kind of hard to leave them out, but I won't talk about them anymore. there is a LOT to it that won't make any sense at all without understanding all the previous stuff, so I highly recommend going over it. But some parts talking about Christianity basically describes Jesus as a "fourth density" wanderer (the rest of humanity is currently in the 3rd density), who incarnated on earth to help spread the teachings of the law of one, dealing with love, wisdom, healing, freedom, etc.. "Yahweh" was another entity, I forget witch density, maybe 5th or 6th. The densities refer roughly to the progress of the souls evolution with 1st being basic elements like rocks, 2nd being plants and animals, 3rd being humans and other self conscious beings, and so forth up to eighth when we reach the next "octave" and return to the creator to start the process over again. Here are a couple interesting excerpts concerning them. There is tons more, obviously, but here is a little piece concerning the Ark of the Covenant:

    60.17 Questioner: Thank you. I don’t know if this question will result in any usable direction, but I think I must ask it. What was the Ark of the Covenant, and what was its use?


    Ra: I am Ra. The Ark of the Covenant was that place wherein those things most holy, according to the understanding of the one called Moishe, [were] placed. The article placed therein has been called by your peoples two tablets called the Ten Commandments. There were not two tablets. There was one writing in scroll. This was placed along with the most carefully written accounts by various entities of their beliefs concerning the creation by the One Creator.

    This Ark was designed to constitute the place wherefrom the priests, as you call those distorted towards the desire to serve their brothers, could draw their power and feel the presence of the One Creator. However, it is to be noted that this entire arrangement was designed, not by the one known to the Confederation as Yahweh, but rather was designed by negative entities preferring this method of creating an elite called the Sons of Levi
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    And here is a little chunk concerning Judas and Jesus. Note that previous to this it describes how the teachings of "Yahweh" were corrupted. It is not saying that "Yahweh" was teaching negatively polarized information:

    17.17 Questioner: Can you tell me what the Orion group did in order to try to cause his downfall?


    Ra: I am Ra. We may describe in general what occurred. The technique was that of building upon other negatively oriented information. This information had been given by the one whom your peoples called “Yahweh.” This information involved many strictures upon behavior and promised power of the third-density, service-to-self nature. These two types of distortions were impressed upon those already oriented to think these thought-forms.

    This eventually led to many challenges of the entity known as Jesus. It eventually led to one, sound vibration complex “Judas,” as you call this entity, who believed that it was doing the appropriate thing in bringing about or forcing upon the one you call Jesus the necessity for bringing in the third-density planetary power distortion of third-density rule over others.

    This entity, Judas, felt that, if pushed into a corner, the entity you call Jesus would then be able to see the wisdom of using the power of intelligent infinity in order to rule others. The one you call Judas was mistaken in this estimation of the reaction of the entity, Jesus, whose teach/learning was not oriented towards this distortion. This resulted in the destruction of the bodily complex of the one known as Jesus to you.



    Anyways, there is a couple little tidbits. Super fascinating stuff that touches on everything from the meaning of life, genetics, both physical and spiritual evolution, history, etc etc etc. I fully realize that the above probably looks like a ton of nonsense out of context, but makes a lot more sense when you read it all.
     
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    I don't think that is possible. No church can kill God that I can see.
     
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    That is "interesting stuff". Emperors Theodosius I, Gratian and Valentinian II decreed Nicene Christianity the official state religion of the Roman Empire 31 years before Alaric and the Visigoths sacked Rome.

    Bonus Historical Fun Fact: Alaric was an Arian Christian.
     
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    Thank you for the knowledge! I'll be looking into the time period more.
     
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    Prove that the bible is man-made... You can't. But, you say this to justify your views and actions that are hateful to believers in the bible. Why do you judge religious people so viscously? Calling us sinners when you don't believe in sin? What's up with that?
     
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    This way, you can impose your own individual morals to each situation to justify your own sins. Clever...
     
  12. Josh77

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    Be kind to one another and do not infringe on the free will of others. What more do you need?
     
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    Of course I can't, any more than you can prove that it is purely the word of god. So, saying it is wrong to use the bible to justify atrocities is hateful? Look at the crusades, do you think that was truly inspired by god? I seriously doubt it, don't you? Wouldn't you think using what is written in the bible to justify war for material gain goes against everything Jesus stood for?
    I'm just here expressing my point of view on the topic. I won't think less of anyone for believing it. I was a devout Catholic for 20 years, but after spending 4 years in the middle east and seeing what christians and muslims both did to eachother in the name of religion, I found myself on a spiritual journey looking for what I felt was the truth. What works for me may not for you, and that's fine.

    Anyways, I find my points of view getting attacked just as much as yours get attacked, don't worry, lol. It's all good. We're all here to share ideas and hopefully learn from eachother. I know I learn new things all the time here.
     
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    My pleasure, and I probably should have specified that by Roman Empire I meant both the Eastern and Western Roman Empires.

    It is a fascinating period and by the 5th Century AD not only had the pagans of the Roman Empire been Christianized but many of the Germanic "barbarians" who had a hand in the destruction of the Western Empire had been Christianized, as well. This included the Goths and the Vandals who had already converted to the Arian form of Christianity before they sacked Rome in 411 AD and 455 AD respectively.
     
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    Of course the Bible is man-made. Look at the copy-right page. Besides, the writer never did know for sure who wrote the Ten Commandments.
     
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    Just because I believe the Bible to be inspired of God doesn't mean I agree with the 40,000 Christian Churches doctrines and beliefs about the Bible. That's your problem. Trying to group us all in together. Doesn't work that way. No, I don't believe the crusades were inspired of God. Nor do I agree with much of the doctrine and practices of the Catholic Church. I'm not Catholic. At the same time, I don't agree with your understanding of Jesus Christ and who he is.
    The wars in the OT time that were sanctioned by God were not for material gains. In fact, the leaders were told not to take their spoils of idols.

    One of the views often spoken of those who have lost their testimonies of Christ often confuse the falsehoods of man with the true doctrines of Christ. Those who are killing each other in the name of their God aren't following Christ's teachings. But, they do have the right to defend themselves when attacked. From my standpoint, Muslim terrorists attack first every time. There is time of peace and then they attack. It's never the other way around. But, then, we know that their Koran tells them to cleans their lands of Christians and Jews.
     
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    God wrote the Ten Commandments by his finger and gave the stones they were written on to Moses. Is that clear enough for you? The Bible has been translated by man. Very well by the way. But, the words and thoughts were spoken to the Prophets and Apostles and inspired of God to others like the Book of Psalms.
     
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    It’s been so back and forth over the centuries, who the hell knows anymore. It’s like asking which came first, the chicken or the egg? Looking at Christians and Muslims slaughtering each other in Africa, I think it would be pretty tough to point the finger and say “he started it!”. I think everyone should quit worrying what their books say, and acknowledge that the real god would want them to treat everyone as brothers.
    As far as Christ’s teachings, there is much inspiration to be found in all religions, but ultimately I believe that God will talk to you without need of any books, if you just quiet the day to day craziness in the mind that results from everyday life, and just meditate and listen to the spirit within you. But, these are just my beliefs.
     
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    It's really simple to know who starts wars and who doesn't. Christians are simply trying to live in peace when they are attacked for being Christian. Just like with Israel. Radical Muslims always are looking for war.

    I agree God will answer prayers. Yes or no. The reason why people run away from God is their prayers weren't answered with a "yes." So, you get mad at God and run away from the Church you belong to. Or, you run away from God all together. I hear it from gays all the time. "Oh, I love God and His Church so much! But, he just won't let me act out my sinful desires...so, I can't belong to the Church and I might just forget about God so I can continue down the road to hell. Or, create my own god that lets me sin. Because I'm a good person and moral, really.."
     
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    God absolutely answers my prayers. Every day is just pure joy, and I see him in all creation. I see him in every religion I look at, in Buddhism, Christianity, Gnostic Christianity, Islam, hinduism, various spiritual traditions, in nature, and in science. He doesn't favor any one religion or creed, he is the inspiration for all of them. I find it funny that someone needs a religion to tell them if they're "sinning" or not. Conscience exists for a reason. It is our built in compass to let us know if we are doing right or wrong. That is the only guidance anybody needs. As long as you follow the path of love and light, you are good. Do you really need a book to tell you that it is wrong to steal or kill? No. The real problems happen when we get so caught up in day to day life that we stop listening to that consciousness within us, and let the ego run the show.

    So yeah, Christianity can be wonderful, as can any other religion. And every religion can be terrible. It all depends on if we use our spiritual intuition to find and live the truth in each spiritual path, the path of love and light.
     
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    I would agree that there is truth in all religions except the Church of the Devil. But, Jesus said, Matthew 7: "21 “Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven. 22 Many will say to Me in that day, ‘Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Your name, cast out demons in Your name, and done many wonders in Your name?’ 23 And then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness!’

    This points out that not all churches and religions are on the same plane. When confusion is taught or usurped, lawlessness occurs. Not only that, there are laws, commandments and ordinances. Ordinances can only be performed with authority from God. So, I wonder. Are your prayers being heard and answered yes by God or by Satan? Satan is able to deceive and make things feel great as long as the person is not progressing in the Gospel of Jesus Christ. His goal is to keep all people from knowing the Gospel of Jesus Christ and what better way by helping people be drawn to false religions and Christian churches that don't have the authority to perform baptism and receiving the Holy Ghost.
     
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    I think what you wrote doesn’t point out that not all churches are on the same plane, but that those in the religions are going through the motions but are not truly spiritual.

    In the end, even satan is part of creation. Everyone must choose what path they will travel on, either the positively polarized path of service to others, or the negatively polarized path of service to self. There is far greater entropy in the service to self, as eventually everyone who follows that path is struggling against everyone else, whereas those who follow the path of service to others eventually work together, and is the path of light and love. So eventually, even “satan” and demons and beings on the negative path must eventually change their ways and choose the positive path before we all return to god to start the cycle over again. They cannot “win”, as they are all just part of god, which is intelligent infinity.

    The choice of the positive or negatively polarized path will occur over many lifetimes. It is impossible for our souls to comprehend all the lessons these fleeting lives have to teach in a single lifetime, so we return again and again and again, until our souls have fully polarized to the positive or negative polarity before moving on to the next “stage” or “density” of spiritual development.
    Regardless of what path is chosen, everyone and everything that has ever existed returns to the creator, and the whole drama of the existence of the universe begins again. Darkness and evil eventually must collapse. It’s a beautiful thing!

    As for who hears your prayers, do you really think god is so powerless that he cannot hear prayers intended for him? Satan, or whatever you want to call negative entities, do not have power over god and creation, and cannot “intercept” prayers from reaching the creator. If your thoughts are of love and light, then the negative polarity is completely powerless.

    Anyways, that’s some of what I have been able to piece together looking at various spiritual paths and traditions.
     
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    A public holiday.

    j/k
     
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    Total nonsense.....are you another bitter non-believer. Tell us where Jesus hurt you.
     

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