Part 38 of Post Your Tough Questions Regarding Christianity

I’ve proven there has never been a global flood. I gave you over 10 peer reviewed papers showing you this. Pretending you weren’t proven wrong doesn’t change reality. At no point in the entire 4.5 billion year history of the earth was there ever a global flood.

 

You are the one who is being intellectually dishonest. You quote from words in a book written when science was in its infancy Inspired by a supposed god who is inscrutable, unknowable - except apparently by your own mind. Your words say the Floods covered the mountains. Science says it couldn't have happened.

Throughout the world we have stories of terrible floods, but we also have stories of flying 'aliens' in spacecraft, we have drawings of these 'aliens' and their spacecraft that are extraordinarily alike everywhere, we have buildings that are similar in shape and orientation to star systems and compass points on earth, across the world. We have stories of individuals who came and taught men the way of peace - even as Jesus did - but without the spiritual side. The same, or similar stories, are spread literally across the world. The Aztecs of South America welcomed the Portuguese leader because he looked like the one prophesied to come. Of course, he wasn't. And they lived and died regretting their mistake. If you read ancient cultures and religions 'prophecies' abound - and usually turn out to be disastrously wrong. These similar stories etc are to numerous to be co-incidental. There must have been contact between the continents. How is unknown as yet, although KonTiki showed the possibility of basic contact, and the later Egyptians had boats capable of ocean going . What's hidden under the Antarctic Ice Sheet which was once fertile land What's under the sands of the deserts of the world.

The idea of the Red Sea hotting up enough to affect the area is nonsense. Any movement in the Red Sea is usually due to the Arabian tectonic plate pushing against the African tectonic plate.

The area of North Africa called the Sahara desert is caused by the precession movement of the earth's axis as it moves round the sun. It changes from desert to fertile land and back to desert about every 20,000 years. Precession alters the earth's climatic regions. .

Your ideas of a god inspired book are shared on by those who cannot see the world as it is. Reality is not a word in your vocabulary. . .

 

Look trev if He was explicitly named then you would call it "collusion" "a conspiracy among the writers". That's how you critics of the Holy Bible operate. You just can't have it both ways sonny boy!

But the reality is He shows up often in the Old Testament but not by that name and not is the same form as we see Him in the New Testament but He is there nonetheless.
The whole entire theme of the Holy Bible is Christ.

Matter of fact Our Lord Savior Jesus Christ Himself confirmed the fact He is in the Old Testament. There are many other examples but I give you one of them.

We Read in Scripture:

Our Lord Savior Jesus Christ said,

45 “Yet it isn’t I who will accuse you before the Father. Moses will accuse you! Yes, Moses, in whom you put your hopes. 46 If you really believed Moses, you would believe me, because he wrote about me. 47 But since you don’t believe what he wrote, how will you believe what I say?” John 5:45-47 NLT

In a recent post I presented to you I said, "Matter of fact there are over 300 messianic prophecies in the Old Testament regarding the Messiah—Our Lord Savior Jesus Christ—many involving His death and resurrection. Most of these prophecies were given hundreds or even thousands of years before Our Lord Savior Jesus Christ was born; yet we see that He fulfilled all of them.

These prophecies made in the Old Testament were fulfilled in the Scriptures of the New Testament."

 

True, and there's two sides to that coin, as well.

When I was in college I decided to take several courses in Human Perception and I did so with the intention of discovering how penetrating our perceptual faculties are, but I would up learning how limited they are and that they are purposely limited by natural design. All of our senses are wired not only to perceive what we need to survive, but to filter out the information we don't need to survive. Nature doesn't give a damn about us perceiving God - all it cares about is the preservation and perpetuation of life. Even people we consider more "primitive" than us realized this, and that's why you hear about them (and others) using psychoactive drugs to eliminate the filtering mechanisms in their perceptual faculties so that they can perceive or experience God and/or the supernatural.

Strangely enough, it was my own recognition of the limitations of our perceptual faculties that has prevented me from becoming an atheist. Just because I can't perceive something doesn't mean that it doesn't exist.

I also presume that it was this recognition, amongst other things, that compelled 14th Century theologians such as William of Ockham to conclude that the only way we can approach God is by/through faith and revelation. For all our impressive abilities, our perceptual and intellectual faculties (logic, scientific observation and analysis, etc.) simply can't get us there. It's possible that some of us may be able to perceive and comprehend God through some sort of personal experience, but that is obviously a rare exception to the rule.

Another thing that exponentially complicates this matter is our impulse to anthropomorphize God - to create and conceive God in our own image. What if God does not possess the human attributes that would enable God to reveal His/Her/Its self to us and communicate in a human fashion?

It's a shame that we don't focus more attention on the worldy aspects of Jesus' teachings - such as the Golden Rule you mentioned. If we did, people wouldn't behave in a manner that contradicts or betrays their fundamental beliefs. Furthermore, I think it would help Westerners get a better handle on who and what we are and where we came from. It was Jesus who overturned the Ancient assumption and acceptance of natural inequality and it is in the underlying message of equality and reciprocity in the Golden Rule that many of our laws, rights and liberties are founded on. This stuff didn't suddenly appear out of the ether during the Renaissance and Age of Enlightenment. Even the arguments against the power the papacy and Church abused were arguments that originated within the Christian faith and church. You don't have to believe in the divinity of Jesus to recognize and appreciate this, but it has gotten lost in our preoccupation with the supernatural, which isn't good. Our lack of historical knowledge and understanding is lamentable, to say the least, because we're depriving ourselves of the benefits of that knowledge and understanding.

 

Of course all of this is based on your biased opinion. An opinion picked up by you by reading falsehoods from sources who are atheistic in what they spew out.

The greatest myth ever told to us human beings is the myth that everything came about by some mysterious unexplainable, for no apparent reason/purpose, a cosmic accident where everything just magically appeared one day all by itself. The universe created itself, then eventually all living beings created themselves, from the largest we see...the whales...to the smallest we see...the ants. Everything just created itself...wow! what a myth! That is some magical myth...whoa nelly!...lol

Then there are even some things that are even smaller than the ants that we can't see with our naked eyes, and those are the viruses, the bacteria, all those little bugs that one needs the aid of a powerful microscope to see them. They also according to this magical mysterious myth created themselves.

Our brilliant scientist who understand logic so well know that nothing can create itself to come into existence. It must have a cause to come into existence...does cause & effect ring a bell?

They also know that from nothing...nothing comes. There must be something to cause something else to come into existence.

That's where the Eternal One comes into play. The Eternal One of course is non other than Almighty God The Creator! The Christian God! From Him everything we see and cannot see came into existence because He being All Powerful (Omnipotent) brought everything into existence.

That is logic 101 in full display. And you want to talk about the myth of religions, let's talk about the myth you believe in and while we talk about it let's laugh our behinds off until our tummies burn with pain for the silliness and how illogical that myth that you believe in really is...lol

We learn from Scripture that only fools say in their hearts there is no God.

We Read in Scripture:

1 Only fools say in their hearts, “There is no God.” They are corrupt, and their actions are evil; not one of them does good! Psalm 53:1 NLT

 

Another excuse. You are simply excusing the fact that Jesus isn't named in the OT. All your references are made up by Christianity. There is a website that disputes all your claims.
Your real problem is that you quote verse after verse of scripture expecting me to accept what is written, then refuse to accept what is written in the verses I quote. You can't have it both ways. There is no reference to Jesus in the OT. Only Christian claims. Jesus as the Messiah. For all your protestations and posting of scripture Hosea 11 is referring to Israel. Isaiah is all about Israel.
Like the March Hare in Alice in wonderland twisted phrases you choose to twist scripture. You might just as well say,' added the March Hare, `that "I like what I get" is the same thing as "I get what I like" Of course, it isn't. One implies liking what you receive, the other liking what you choose. You've received the scripture but you choose to believe what you want to believe, rather than what you've received.
The whole point about so called 'prophecy' is to warn of things contemporary or in the immediate future, giving time to prepare or change attitudes/actions. Not things 800 years in the future. I've said before, what relevance is it to you what will happen in 2821. In the 800 years between Isaiah and Jesus a massive asteroid could have destroyed the earth. So much for the distant prophecy. Isaiah wasn't concerned with 800 years in the future, just his period of time. I don't believe Isaiah prophesied anything. I believe he was a wise man who read the signs of what was happening and was able to warn the result of certain actions. Jeremiah also. 2 Politicians in my time have done just that, and been proved right. It's not prophecy, it's reading the signs of the times.
When the Gospels were written the writers had had plenty of time to use scriptures relating to the OT so, of course, they used the OT to justify their position. . Hindsight is a useful thing.

 

Your laughing and scoffing is typical of the unthinking person you are. You are so wrapped up in your beliefs you have no time for science etc.

Our brilliant scientist who understand logic so well know that nothing can create itself to come into existence. It must have a cause to come into existence...does cause & effect ring a bell? What is nothing Mitt?

Well, some of my sources happen to be religious sources and religious men. Strange, don't you think. 2 also happen to be Jewish archaeologists who have spent years and come to the conclusion there is no evidence for the Exodus. Others who have no axe to grind or bias of any kind, except toward true archaeology.

Our brilliant scientist who understand logic so well know that nothing can create itself to come into existence. It must have a cause to come into existence...does cause & effect ring a bell?
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Not true. Our scientists can't even explain what nothing is. A meeting of scientists of various fields put forward their own conclusions/suggestions according to their own fields. No-one could agree whether science could even explain 'nothing' , and I don't think you are a scientist. 3000 years ago there was NOTHING between the flat earth and domed roof over our heads. 2000 years ago the stars were planets with nothing between the earth and them. a 1000 years ago there was nothing in the air we breathed but what we could sense with our faculties. If you cup your hand you see nothing, but it is full of air, microbes etc etc. Can you tell me there was nothing before the 'Big Bang'. That the Big Bang of creation occurred is obvious, except to creationists.

There are many fields of science involved. What you can't get into you head is the fact that science is expanding even while we post. The laws of Physics as we know them are being questioned with certain experiments. Quantum theory is expanding our knowledge. That it might put your nose out of joint is unacceptable to you. Not to the open minded.

I'm at a loss how you can apply Logic to religion. You cannot even prove there is a god. Logically science is the answer, we can see it understand it, and experience it. Just as you do every day of the week. - There is no logical reason why a god should exist without excluding science.

 

Let's see, 30,000, 50,000, 13000, 150,000, creatures evolved over hundreds of thousand of years. So many guesstimates, sorry trev but your numbers don't cut mustard. Will you please come back to reality and join the living? You are being blindsided with falsehoods that you cannot see.

We Read in Scripture:

Our Lord Savior Jesus Christ said,

Spiritual Blindness

35 When Jesus heard what had happened, he found the man and asked, “Do you believe in the Son of Man?”
36 The man answered, “Who is he, sir? I want to believe in him.”
37 “You have seen him,” Jesus said, “and he is speaking to you!”
38 “Yes, Lord, I believe!” the man said. And he worshiped Jesus.
39 Then Jesus told him, “I entered this world to render judgment—to give sight to the blind and to show those who think they see that they are blind.”
40 Some Pharisees who were standing nearby heard him and asked, “Are you saying we’re blind?”
41 “If you were blind, you wouldn’t be guilty,” Jesus replied. “But you remain guilty because you claim you can see. John 9:35-41 NLT

 

They don't cut mustard with you because you don't want to believe. You live with science every day but you decry it. Without it you would still be herding sheep or out on the hunt for food.

And please don't post scripture without understanding it. Jesus was Jew. The term 'son of man' meant 'the son of Adam'. Jesus believed, and many true Evangelists today do, that their mission was to convert the 'blind' - those who had lost the faith. Jesus had the same mission. The religious hierarchy had led the people astray. Jesus was well versed in the Mosaic laws and saw the hypocrisy of the leaders. His job was to open their eyes to the way they had been led astray.
Jesus had no science, archaeology, modern techniques to help him. These things have brought us to what we have today. You are alive because of medicine, science of heating, cooking, growing food. Yes the ancients could do things like cooking, growing etc. But with their methods and lack of science they could not possibly feed the population of the world, even of the middle ages. Science, medicines, industrial technology. These are all things that keep the world turning over. Without science and medicine Covid would have killed many more.


You quote scripture after scripture asking US to accept what YOU believe - that scripture is true. But then you say verses like Hosea 11:1 or Isaiah 53 or Pslam 22 all have hidden meanings referring to Jesus. They clearly don't if you study. It's only Christianity's teaching. .
So do you accept that there is a hidden interpretation of 'the son of man' other than that which you have been taught. It's absolutely possible you have things wrong and the Jews have it right. It's only your interpretation.

 

I don't see this "scripture" as being an answer to any question on this thread.

It's basically just an accusation of blindness and guilt if one fails to believe.

It's no more than a restatement of the fact that in Christianity Jesus is a fundamental assumption - not an hypothesis that faces evidentiary testing.

The interaction with the Pharises is something that I've found remarkable in the past. So, Jesus says they are '"guilty". But, what is the reason that the Pharises would abandon their religion simply because of meeting someone who claimed to be the "son of man"?

What is the evidence that would make the Pharises actually GUILTY for not rejecting their fundamental religious assumptions in favor of entirely new and different assumptions?

 

When did the Koran get numbered chapters and verses?

 

It sure would nice if you actually read the silly fairy tale. It says that the Garden of Eden was surrounded by Ethiopia, Assyria, Arabia, Persia, and of course, Egypt. So, those countries were in existence when Adam and Eve were running around butt naked and they were thereafter Noah's flood. Maybe the old drunk should have told them that all of the people had been drowned. They seem to have missed it.

 

Some people are idiots like the My Pillow guy. They get a silly idea in their noggins and lose all connection to reality.

 

Mitt Ryan.. I appreciate your post.. I just can't do what you do , because to me God is just apparent.. how could anyone even start to doubt His existence? You will never convince some of these people, and others,, maybe you will put a grain of doubt in their view and others are sent straight from the devil. But I do like reading your post, and love the amount of scripture you use to back them up! Carry on Brother and continue praising the Lord, and may you continue to enjoy His many blessings.

 

I don't know, but I suspect an archangel had nothing to do with that.

 

The problem Mitt and you have, is that several parts of the bible are demonstrably false, such as a global flood. This has been proven to never have occurred.

 

They actually destroy any credibility in the Bible when they say that verses like that of Hosea 11:1 must be adapted to include Jesus. That Isaiah chapter 53 - which never existed in the original book as chapters were never used in Hebrew - refers to Jesus. And that 300 references in the OT are claimed to refer to Jesus. If Christianity can adapt the OT to suit its beliefs, what is left that we can trust?
Did Job actually exist or is it an adapted story.written long before the book of Job. Ludlul bel nemeqi, Akkadian: “Let Me Praise the Lord of Wisdom”, in ancient Mesopotamian religious literature, a philosophical composition concerned with a man who, seemingly forsaken by the gods, speculates on the changeability of men and fate. The composition, also called the “Poem of the Righteous Sufferer” or the “Babylonian Job,” has been likened to the biblical Book of Job.

Impossible numbers. 800.000 thousand soldiers of Israel join battle with 500.000 thousand Judeans soldiers. Giving a total population - including women, children and those to young (under 20) to fight - of around 4 million +. An impossible number for Palestine of the day to support. Ditto the supposed Exodus numbers where Moses leads the Israelites from Egypt to the 'Safety' of the Promised land - which happens to be under Egyptian rule. Has any preacher ever mentioned that, or even known that?

We can follow the Christian version like sheep or we can study for ourselves. Most Christians have no idea of the times which are the background to the Bible. Neither do many preachers and priests.
The mighty city of Jericho was conquered by Joshua. Apart from the fact its walls were thick, you could walk round it in about 15 minutes. And as for its walls falling down, probably not for the first time, it is in an earthquake zone. The last earthquake being 1926CE which shook the area as far as Jerusalem. There is also one recorded in the 12th century. How many preachers/priests know that or care to tell you that?

 

Nice to see you drop by Brother Todd! Yeah absolutely God is just so apparent. Well these unbelievers have a myriad of reasons why they reject/doubt His existence but the truth is they really have no excuse for not knowing Almighty God whatsoever!

We Read in Scripture:

20 For ever since the world was created, people have seen the earth and sky. Through everything God made, they can clearly see his invisible qualities—his eternal power and divine nature. So they have no excuse for not knowing God.

21 Yes, they knew God, but they wouldn’t worship him as God or even give him thanks. And they began to think up foolish ideas of what God was like. As a result, their minds became dark and confused. 22 Claiming to be wise, they instead became utter fools. 23 And instead of worshiping the glorious, ever-living God, they worshiped idols made to look like mere people and birds and animals and reptiles. Romans 1:20-23 NLT

Yes, I hear what you're saying...I agree. Most people in the world do not believe in the Christian God. There is close to 7 billion people world-wide and just nearly 2 billion practicing Christians. So that's roughly 71 percent unbelievers, 29 percent believers world-wide.

Our Lord Savior knew (He being omniscient) there would be more people choosing the highway to hell than the highway to heaven. He told us we could enter His Kingdom only through a narrow gate and that the highway to hell is broad with its gate wide for the many who choose that way but the gateway to heaven (life) is very narrow and the road is difficult and only a few ever find it.

We Read in Scripture:

Our Lord Savior Jesus Christ said,

The Narrow Gate

13 "You can enter God’s Kingdom only through the narrow gate. The highway to hell is broad, and its gate is wide for the many who choose that way. 14 But the gateway to life is very narrow and the road is difficult, and only a few ever find it." Matthew 7:13-14 NLT

But you know they still come to my thread though...maybe my messages/posts are slowly sinking in for the better...nah! I wouldn't hold my breath on that!...lol

These unbelievers have a myriad of reasons why they reject/doubt the existence of Almighty God The Creator as I've mentioned earlier.

One reason is because they hate God, they hate what is revealed in the Old Testament. They have been known to spew out vile, hateful, unpleasing language towards Almighty God.

Then there are some who have this egomania mental disorder problem where they believe they are their own god and everyone else revolves around them...pretty narcissistically silly isn't it?...they are just full of themselves...egotistical fools...lol

And oh yeah some of them are indeed sent straight from the devil, these types are very dangerous people, very hard to convince them to turn to the Lord. Only prayer can help them to expel the evil spirit living in them. Our Lord Savior Jesus Christ expelled an evil spirit out of a demon-possessed boy.

We Read in Scripture:

Our Lord Savior Jesus Christ said,

Jesus Heals a Demon-Possessed Boy

14 When they returned to the other disciples, they saw a large crowd surrounding them, and some teachers of religious law were arguing with them. 15 When the crowd saw Jesus, they were overwhelmed with awe, and they ran to greet him.
16 “What is all this arguing about?” Jesus asked.
17 One of the men in the crowd spoke up and said, “Teacher, I brought my son so you could heal him. He is possessed by an evil spirit that won’t let him talk. 18 And whenever this spirit seizes him, it throws him violently to the ground. Then he foams at the mouth and grinds his teeth and becomes rigid. So I asked your disciples to cast out the evil spirit, but they couldn’t do it.”
19 Jesus said to them, “You faithless people! How long must I be with you? How long must I put up with you? Bring the boy to me.”
20 So they brought the boy. But when the evil spirit saw Jesus, it threw the child into a violent convulsion, and he fell to the ground, writhing and foaming at the mouth.
21 “How long has this been happening?” Jesus asked the boy’s father.
He replied, “Since he was a little boy. 22 The spirit often throws him into the fire or into water, trying to kill him. Have mercy on us and help us, if you can.”
23 “What do you mean, ‘If I can’?” Jesus asked. “Anything is possible if a person believes.”
24 The father instantly cried out, “I do believe, but help me overcome my unbelief!”
25 When Jesus saw that the crowd of onlookers was growing, he rebuked the evil spirit. “Listen, you spirit that makes this boy unable to hear and speak,” he said. “I command you to come out of this child and never enter him again!”
26 Then the spirit screamed and threw the boy into another violent convulsion and left him. The boy appeared to be dead. A murmur ran through the crowd as people said, “He’s dead.” 27 But Jesus took him by the hand and helped him to his feet, and he stood up.
28 Afterward, when Jesus was alone in the house with his disciples, they asked him, “Why couldn’t we cast out that evil spirit?”
29 Jesus replied, “This kind can be cast out only by prayer.” Mark 9:14-29 NLT

They need the spirit of Our Lord Savior Jesus Christ to be living in them like all born again Christians. It would be a much better meaningful life to have the spirit of Our Lord Savior Jesus Christ living in them. I would trust a person who has Our Lord Savior Jesus Christ spirit living in them but not a person who has the spirit of satan (devil) living in them.

We Read in Scripture:

20 My old self has been crucified with Christ. It is no longer I who live, but Christ lives in me. So I live in this earthly body by trusting in the Son of God, who loved me and gave himself for me. Galatians 2:20 NLT

Scripture tells us that the devil is always on the prowl looking for someone to devour. It would be very dangerous for anyone to be around a person who has the evil spirit of satan (devil) living in them. Some of you I'm sure know someone who has that evil spirit nature in them. Be very careful/cautious around them, don't turn your back on them.

We Read in Scripture:

8 Stay alert! Watch out for your great enemy, the devil. He prowls around like a roaring lion, looking for someone to devour. 1 Peter 5:8 NLT

Well thanks a lot for liking my posts...thanks to you only, my "likes" are going through the roof...lol Well I understand it though, these unbelievers hate the very idea of the existence of the Lord so naturally they are not going to like someone who loves the Lord, who praises the Lord, who worships the Lord. So they will not be clicking the "like" button after they read my posts...lol

I bet if they had an option to click a "hate" button I would have the most hates than anybody else on these forums...ahahaha!...ahahaha!

Well ok Todd again nice to see you drop by and likewise may you continue to enjoy Our Lord's many blessings! See you later my Brother!

 

That seems to be one of the world's top secrets. I doubt if you will ever be able to find someone who will be able to give you an accurate answer. I have a theory.

 

Don't you know that snakes and donkeys can have conversations with each other and that trillions of stars will fall to the Earth? It's amazing what you can learn by reading the Bible.

Did you know that grass and fruit trees were created before the stars and the Sun and the moon?

Mt Everest is 29,032 feet high (348,384 inches). It rained for 40 days and 40 nights. That is 960 hours or 57,600 minutes. Therefore, it rained 6.048333 inches per minute. That is 30.24166 feet per hour of rain. At that amount of rainfall, I am sure that the water would displace all of the air and that you would be quickly suffocated. And the noise would blow your eardrums. But, since the flood didn't wash away any of the countries in the area, such as Assyria, Ethiopia , Egypt, Arabia, Persia, maybe the flood story is true, in another universe. It's BS in this one.

The Noah flood story is simply a war story about enemy troops invading the area and going on a killing spree. It has nothing to do with actual rainfall.

 

You are assuming that my friend WanRen don't believe Scripture, it makes sense that he does believe in Scripture, after all he has told us he is a practicing Christian. So it makes no sense why you assumed he doesn't believe in Scripture.

We just established that you are guilty of assuming, and might as well throw judging in there too since you have made a judgment call assuming WanRen of not believing in Scripture when he is indeed a practicing Christian.

There you go again...assuming. He knows, I know, you know, God knows, you are not a Christian but of course that doesn't mean you're an atheist because you could be worshipping a god that doesn't exist but anyway what makes you assume that he is assuming you must be an atheist?...lol

A while back you made a statement that you follow the scientific method and that you weren't an atheist which implied science is your god. It's so obvious that you weren't even aware that Almighty God the Creator is the Head Scientist. Oh the irony of it all...lol

Below is that statement that you made:

He has faith that Almighty God The Creator exists, that is what all believers of the Christian faith has...which is faith. And I wouldn't say God is unknown because He made it so obvious to all of us because we all have seen the earth and sky, through everything God made, we all can clearly see His invisible qualities, His eternal power and divine nature, so we all have no excuse for not knowing God.

We Read in Scripture:

20 For ever since the world was created, people have seen the earth and sky. Through everything God made, they can clearly see his invisible qualities—his eternal power and divine nature. So they have no excuse for not knowing God.

21 Yes, they knew God, but they wouldn’t worship him as God or even give him thanks. And they began to think up foolish ideas of what God was like. As a result, their minds became dark and confused. 22 Claiming to be wise, they instead became utter fools. 23 And instead of worshiping the glorious, ever-living God, they worshiped idols made to look like mere people and birds and animals and reptiles. Romans 1:20-23 NLT

That's right, because of man's evil and wickedness, He punished all but eight people along with pairs of animals. Almighty God The Creator is Sovereign over His creation and when He saw enough of the evil and wickedness He punished those evil doers and justifiably so being that He had every right to do so being in the position of absolute Sovereignty.

We Read in Scripture:

5 The Lord observed the extent of human wickedness on the earth, and he saw that everything they thought or imagined was consistently and totally evil. 6 So the Lord was sorry he had ever made them and put them on the earth. It broke his heart. 7 And the Lord said, “I will wipe this human race I have created from the face of the earth. Yes, and I will destroy every living thing—all the people, the large animals, the small animals that scurry along the ground, and even the birds of the sky. I am sorry I ever made them.” 8 But Noah found favor with the Lord. Genesis 6:5-8 NLT

And yes, He is definitely a forgiving God. All people who sinned in times past before Our Lord Savior Jesus Christ atoned for the sins of mankind did not get punished by God, in other words He did not send them to everlasting punishment in hell. However in order to be saved, one now has to believe that Our Lord Savior Jesus Christ is their Savior, that He died as payment for their sins. Anyone who doesn't believe will be separated from God for all eternity to be punished for their sins in hell.

We Read in Scripture:

23 For everyone has sinned; we all fall short of God’s glorious standard. 24 Yet God, in his grace, freely makes us right in his sight. He did this through Christ Jesus when he freed us from the penalty for our sins. 25 For God presented Jesus as the sacrifice for sin. People are made right with God when they believe that Jesus sacrificed his life, shedding his blood. This sacrifice shows that God was being fair when he held back and did not punish those who sinned in times past, 26 for he was looking ahead and including them in what he would do in this present time. God did this to demonstrate his righteousness, for he himself is fair and just, and he makes sinners right in his sight when they believe in Jesus. Romans 3:23-26 NLT

Our Lord Savior Jesus Christ said,

16 “For this is how God loved the world: He gave his one and only Son, so that everyone who believes in him will not perish but have eternal life. 17 God sent his Son into the world not to judge the world, but to save the world through him.

18 “There is no judgment against anyone who believes in him. But anyone who does not believe in him has already been judged for not believing in God’s one and only Son. 19 And the judgment is based on this fact: God’s light came into the world, but people loved the darkness more than the light, for their actions were evil. 20 All who do evil hate the light and refuse to go near it for fear their sins will be exposed. 21 But those who do what is right come to the light so others can see that they are doing what God wants.” John 3:16-21 NLT

Ok, that's your choice not to believe. He has giving all of us the gift of free will to choose to believe or not to believe. Everybody gets to exercise their gift of free will.

First of all, He is not just the God of the believers, He is everyone's God since He created everything in existence. Everything you can and cannot see He created. What?... did you think everything just popped into existence all by itself without a cause?...that's illogical, go ask our brilliant scientist...they will tell you the same thing.

And yes He is a forgiving God, a righteous, and a fair one too. There are many more attributes of Him besides the ones I mentioned here.

He is forgiving as I have already illustrated to you earlier. He further shows His forgiving nature by giving us Our Lord Savior Jesus Christ who died for our sins...the sins of mankind in that we will be forgiven for the sins we have committed if we believe in Our Lord Savior Jesus Christ.

It is actually you who doesn't see and understand the importance of such a belief. It has eternal consequences, one of the consequences is everlasting reward, the other is everlasting punishment. The STUPIDITY is for someone to choose the punishment consequence. So you think you see clearly but your are actually blind like the whole rest of your unbelieving crowd.

We Read in Scripture:

Our Lord Savior Jesus Christ said,

Spiritual Blindness

35 When Jesus heard what had happened, he found the man and asked, “Do you believe in the Son of Man?”
36 The man answered, “Who is he, sir? I want to believe in him.”
37 “You have seen him,” Jesus said, “and he is speaking to you!”
38 “Yes, Lord, I believe!” the man said. And he worshiped Jesus.
39 Then Jesus told him, “I entered this world to render judgment—to give sight to the blind and to show those who think they see that they are blind.”
40 Some Pharisees who were standing nearby heard him and asked, “Are you saying we’re blind?”
41 “If you were blind, you wouldn’t be guilty,” Jesus replied. “But you remain guilty because you claim you can see. John 9:35-41 NLT

We can thank Almighty God we live in a free society...these United States of America! Where the right to worship, the freedom of religion is guaranteed and protected under The Bill Of Rights.

You have no understanding at all that's why you're spewing out falsehoods. Again let me remind you and repeat what I've already said, because of man's evil and wickedness, He punished all but eight people along with pairs of animals. Almighty God The Creator is sovereign over His creation and when He saw enough of the evil and wickedness He punished these evil doers and justifiably so being that He had every right to do so being in the position of absolute Sovereignty.

So there is no mass murder here but I suppose you can call it justifiable mass capital punishments. And because like I've already explained to you earlier since He didn't send people who sinned in times past prior to Our Lord Savior Jesus Christ to eternal punishment in hell then He is indeed a forgiving God. So there is no contradiction at all as you falsely assume/believe there is because of your ignorance of understanding Almighty God The Creator!

 

No Ronald I get it, it's you and your kind that don't get it.

I don't have to prove anything to unbelievers. The Holy Bible itself doesn't even attempt to prove anything in Scripture. It's because Almighty God The Creator wants people to come to Him through faith. I have faith and trust in Him while you don't.

Let me give a few definitions of the word "faith", 1. Unquestioning belief that does not require proof or evidence. 2. Unquestioning belief in God, religious tenets, etc. 3. A religion or a system of religious beliefs (the Catholic faith). 4. Anything believed. 5. Allegiance to some person or thing; loyalty.

Everyone has some kind of faith....everyone trusts something. It is impossible to live without trusting in something, even if it is only in the reliability of our five senses. The object of our faith is what makes all the difference.

And so I'm not here to convince you or anyone else for that matter to believe what I believe and so there is no burden on me, there is absolutely no obligation put on me to prove anything whatsoever to anyone who doesn't believe what I believe.

Besides like I have always been saying, "All intellectually honest people know that no one can prove/disprove anything in regards to Almighty God/Holy Bible...etc....etc. Anyone who thinks they have proven anything is just being intellectually dishonest." This statement is a fact..no disputing it whatsoever.

We Read in Scripture:

8 For by grace you have been saved through faith. And this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God, 9 not a result of works, so that no one may boast. Ephesians 2:8-9 ESV

 

True -but you certainly try hard - and kudo's for that... problem is your attempts are not good.

Yes it does .. and you have posted such attempts from scripture - sooo .. perhaps you want to walk this one back.

This is another one of your "Speaking for God" moments ... Did God sit down for tea with you the other day and tell you this ? Certainly the Bible says something different .. Why you putting words in the mouth of the Most High ?

 

What is so hilariously funny is that you yourself right now are being intellectually dishonest. Nobody has proven anything to be impossible in regards to anything relating to the Holy Bible. Sure you have your theories/assumptions/opinions/guesswork/biases/speculations but these my dear boy don't cut mustard to conclusively prove anything.

An intellectually honest person understands this because one thing they do know as a fact is that we humans do not have insight into 100% of all knowledge. Only Almighty God The Creator has insight into 100% of all knowledge because He is omniscient and furthermore nothing is impossible for Him to do, nothing that is contrary to His own character and nature that is.

We Read in Scripture:

20 for whenever our heart condemns us, God is greater than our heart, and he knows everything. 1 John 3:20 ESV

Our Lord Savior Jesus Christ said,

27 Jesus looked at them intently and said, “Humanly speaking, it is impossible. But not with God. Everything is possible with God.” Mark 10:27 NLT

 

So what are my kind? If you mean anyone who thinks that the burden of proof lies with the person making the claim then I can include some very intelligent Christians from Aquinas to William Lane Craig who are my kind. Thanks for putting me in such esteemed Christian company!

No you do not have to prove anything, but that does not remove you from the burden of proof when you make a claim. Just as if Jesus died for your sins you are still responsible for your sins even though you let him suffer for them!

People might question why you have started a thread entitled "post your tough questions" if when presented with a tough question or the burden of proof for the claims you make, you simply reply "I do not have to prove anything to unbelievers" people can obviously conclude you are not being intellectually honest!

That cause and effect you keep going on about Mitt, do you not understand that either? You caused the questions you now claim you do not have to provide proof for when you started this thread!

You created your standard of absolute proof when you require absolute proof that the flood did not happen, the mountains of evidence against it are not enough, you make that clear, only absolute proof will do. But when challenged to provide absolute proof that your god exists you back off and run away claiming you do not have to prove anything.

If you take your ball away when you are out in the first over then do not be surprised to hear the cry of hypocrite, bad sport and child!