Would you trade more in prison in exchange for fewer murders/crimes?

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Would we be better off with more convicts?

Poll closed Apr 8, 2022.
  1. Clearly we would.

    35.0%
  2. Clearly we would not.

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  3. Clearly this is how to solve increased crime. Let me explain.

    15.0%
  1. Darth Gravus

    Darth Gravus Banned

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    I stated the facts. I did not judge you at all.

    You were going 142 miles an hour. That means it would take roughly 900 feet to stop you car had you needed to. Thus the potential for danger. This is just a simple fact, no judgement.

    Speed limits exist not for your safety, but for others.
     
  2. Robert

    Robert Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Since you deny you judged me, that works for me. But above you judged again. I am aware of the conditions that day in 1994 far better than you are. Any danger was to me. I accepted the risk.

    One more time. The highway was a major CA Freeway that had a very long straight road giving me total command of my situation. The factory rated my car for a speed of 150 mph and my tires were rated for 160 mph. My experience was in various race cars.\

    Repeat, Zero traffic in front or in my rear. I had a direct sight of perhaps 2-3 miles. Factually I saw a curve ahead and slowed down to a speed acceptable for said curve in the road.
     
  3. Robert

    Robert Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Not really. I definitely evaded going to jail. Had there been even one other vehicle on the road that I could see, I would not have exceeded the speed limits.
     
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    Robert Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I would not have stopped on a major freeway.
     
  5. Darth Gravus

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    unless there was something in the road that you missed while going 142 mph.
     
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    Robert Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I had no reason to stop. Stopping on a major freeway is not legal.
     
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    a disable vehicle, an animal in the road, a cyclist...but you got luck and got away with breaking the law and nobody was hurt.

    again, for you the thrill of going 143 mph was worth the risk of going to jail. For most it is not
     
  8. Robert

    Robert Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Again, you keep ignoring the facts as they were told to you.
    I was used to high speeds so it was not actually a thrill. And no cops were remotely close so there was no threat of my going to jail. Nobody got hurt because at that speed I am a safe driver.
     
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    The same thing people say about driving drunk
     
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    "Would you trade more in prison in exchange for fewer murders/crimes?"

    don't have too, end the war on drugs and there is plenty of space for violent criminals and sexual predators
     
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    I bow to your experience as a drunk driver.
     
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    Robert Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Actually drug crimes have been exaggerated as a main reason to be in prison. Violence is number one. See proof in post #57 I think it is.
     
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    I never said it was the main reason people are in prison, I said it's a way to clear space for those that need to be in prison as it's a lot of people
     
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    Sadly I do have experience as a drunk driver, I was lucky to never hurt anyone.

    Unlike you I can look back on things I did and know they were not a good idea.
     
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    Robert Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    As can I do that too and have not gone that fast since 1994.
     
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    And I have not driven drunk since 1988.

    Seems we can both learn from our mistakes.
     
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    Pie chart does not go into the causes of the violence.
     
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    If you mean "Convits" people who committed crimes and were convicted. Of course we would be better off if we catch even more criminals and they faced justice and were incarcerated if necessary. People try to cite oh look how many criminals are in prison in the US compare to other countries, oh how horrible. How about our police are a lot better than other countries and we catch more or our criminals in more of them face justice?
     
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    You cure poverty first by stopping the crime that breeds it and runs business and law abiding citizens away. Getting rid of the 2nd Amendment will not reduce crime, criminals don't obey the law.
     
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    Good grief we have spend hundreds of billions in those communities trying to change behavior, the crime trumps all efforts. They need crime free areas where jobs will come. And yes there needs to be a shift in community attitudes about crime and working and forming safe nuclear families again for the children and their future.

    What do you think are the societal problems that drive and create the crime, and what would propose to address them other than more money being handed out. Why don't you think it is the crime that is causing the societal problems.
     
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    Here is your chance to prove our police are better than other country's rather than just your "gut" talking.
    If there was no crime would there be no poverty? Interesting concept, sounds counterintuitive, explain.
    Criminals judge costs/benefits or they don't last long in the business. Guns increase the violence of crimes.
    Crime is at a 30 year low. A good economy and continued public support (your tax dollars) will help to lower it, but of course, nowhere on earth is free of crime.
     
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    Thank you Donald J trump. Great economy and lower crime.
     
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    I think people who commit the crime should definitely be locked away, but time in prison should be spent on correction and healing, not punishment.
     
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    I don't have a need to do so.

    Less of it, crime drives away jobs and businesses and law abiding tax paying citizens. Crime would be violent anyway and burglaries don't require guns.

    Without all these gun restrictions I bet gun ownership is also at an all time high too. And not claim has ever been made that somewhere on earth there is someplace free of crime but you would agree that crime occurs at different levels at different places wouldn't you?
     
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    Portugal has a population of about ten million people. They are also not a very diverse society.

    Adopting Portugal's method may not be appropriate in the US.
     

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