Biden's 11 million Amnesty Plan; Good/bad for the economy? Employment? Treasury? What else?

Have you glanced through;

Unauthorized Immigrant Population Profiles

https://www.migrationpolicy.org/pro...ub/unauthorized-immigrant-population-profiles

I suggest you do.......

For example;

Main State's Top industries of employment for X million undocumented workers

California....

Accommodation and food services, arts, entertainment, and recreation 265,000 17%
Professional, scientific, management, administrative, and waste management services 231,000 14%
Construction 225,000 14%
Manufacturing 173,000 11%
Retail trade
9%

Texas

Construction 299,000 29%
Accommodation and food services, arts, entertainment, and recreation 162,000 16%
Professional, scientific, management, administrative, and waste management services 128,000 12%
Manufacturing 83,000 8%
Retail trade 8%

Georgia

Construction 63,000 30%
Professional, scientific, management, administrative, and waste management services 32,000 15%
Accommodation and food services, arts, entertainment, and recreation 28,000 13%
Manufacturing 24,000 11%
Retail trade 7%

Florida

Construction 99,000 23%
Professional, scientific, management, administrative, and waste management services 72,000 16%
Accommodation and food services, arts, entertainment, and recreation 71,000 16%
Retail trade 40,000 9%
Other services (except public administration)

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Just 4 States, and near 800,000 in construction, and most State's Top Industries of employment; Construction!

Thus, IMO, a majority of said undocumented ''6.6 million employed'' are actually skilled workers.

 

The dems and the repubs both want all the illegal aliens to invade the USA. Ever since Reagan gave the illegals amnesty it was obvious. If The Swamp didn't want the illegals they would stop them yesterday. Trump tried to stop the illegals and they ran him out of Washington. We are watching the politicians slowly change the population of the USA. Our signs are now printed in both English and Spanish. The illegals aliens are treated better than out tax paying citizens when they receive free health care, free rent, free schools, etc. So what if a few of the invaders are gang members, murderers, rapist, or thieves. The politicians want all the illegals. Why? Well you figure it out. But the proof is right before our eyes. Si amigo.

 

They had been operating under a seasonal guest worker program for years. Look up Cesar Chavez sometime...

 

I understand all that. Then some laws changed to make it harder to cross back and forth.
And some were not allowed to come back and work, so, many just started staying.

But you didn't answer my question. Do you want them on or off the books?

 

Nope some laws weren't changed Cesar Chavez happened and some of his supporters became persona non grata to the farmers collective. When Reagan passed that bill he actually shot the growers in the ass because they could no longer have the laborers who supported Chavez deported at whim.

By the way Chavez disposed illegal Immigration because he considered them scabs going so far as to send a bunch of his union boys to drive them back across the river

 

Don't you find anything weird about the way these are grouped? For example:

California....

Accommodation and food services, arts, entertainment, and recreation 265,000 17%
Professional, scientific, management, administrative, and waste management services 231,000 14%
Construction 225,000 14%
Manufacturing 173,000 11%
Retail trade
9%

So "Professional, scientific, management, administrative, and waste management" included scientists, CEOs and...garbage men?

I would really like to know how many of the "Professional, scientific, management" are illegals.

 

In specific:

Unless they have obtained a ITIN, which means they have registered with the US Government, then they have used a fake or stolen Social Security number to gain employment.

Which means they have stolen someone's identity, and that person then has to straighten the problem out. The income that the deductions for Social Security were chargeable is not left to the ID theft victim, any taxes paid are NOT credited to their account. The Government confiscates it.

They do not 'quietly make payments into Social Security' that is dissembling at it's best. How much do illegal immigrants pay in actual Federal Withholding taxes? The majority pay zero.

Perhaps you need to actually research what happens rather than accepting an article at face value.

 

Laws have changed since we became a Nation.
IMO, this was one that cause Mexican migrants to not risk going back and not being able to return.

...
In 1965, though, a combination of political, social and geopolitical factors led to passage of the landmark Immigration and Nationality Act that created a new system favoring family reunification and skilled immigrants, rather than country quotas. The law also imposed the first limits on immigration from the Western Hemisphere. Before then, Latin Americans had been allowed to enter the U.S. without many restrictions. Since enactment of the 1965 Immigration and Nationality Act, immigration has been dominated by people born in Asia and Latin America, rather than Europe.
...
https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-ta...-laws-and-rules-have-changed-through-history/

 

Here's the only information I needed;

$13 billion equates to how many FICA contributors/stolen SSN?

Assuming an annual Median Wage of $34,000 X 15.2% = $5,168
$13 billion DIVIDED by $5,168 = 2.5 million Contributors, and/or approx. 2.5 million stolen SSN. Main reason; To gain employment

AND according to the Migration Policity Institute, in 2018, an estimated 6.6 million illegal immigrants were employed, thus, 2.5 million on the books, and 4.1 million off the books.

It's the 4.1 million ''off the books/no SSN'' I've been wondering about?????????

.........there's got to be some ''good enough'' hiring paperwork, and for what main purpose;

a. Shortage of workers?
b. Lower the wages?

IMO, mainly (a.)

 

In addition to the above, near half of said 6.6 million illegal immigrants were employed in the construction industry.

Now, I once hired a ''CASH ONLY'' tree cutter, $750, no paper trail, thus, my question is;

In the construction industry, are most illegals employed by;

a. No paper trail/fly by night contractors, or

b. Legit contractors

Anyone?

 

Uh no, maybe in California and Texas but certainly not in the Delta.

 

The encouragement of the government to 'welcome' illegals into the workforce can be limited by the use of e-verify. Unfortunately, it is not required for may employers, yet every employer is held accountable if they do hire an illegal, even if unknowingly.

Once again, the government confiscates the money, regardless of who contributes it. And repeating myself, saying they 'quietly contribute' is seriously dissembling. Who ends up paying the cost of these people who use a stolen SS#? The victim.

So if the money the government confiscates is considered 'a good thing', then perhaps we should be inquiring where that money is actually going. And that leads right into, perhaps that is also why the government continues to find reasons to not stop/reduce illegal immigration.

 

Of course laws have changed. In fact from 1920s through the early fifties we allowed no legal immigration at all.

 

Quote; It is not required for many employers to use E-Verify

Are you required to use E Verify?

While E-Verify participation is voluntary for most employers, it is mandatory for employers in certain states, and certain federal contractors and subcontractors. There is no cost to enroll or participate in the system. ... Mandatory E-Verify for Federal Contractors. Demonstrating the Right to Work in the United States.

https://ca.practicallaw.thomsonreut...fault&contextData=(sc.Default)&firstPage=true

Well, looks like most States have granted said employers a ''hand washing excuse'', however, approximately, I just want to know how many ''off the books'' jobs will be added by Biden's Amnesty?

 

Quote: I just want to know how many ''off the books'' jobs will be added by Biden's Amnesty?

Thus, from ''off the books'' to ''on the books'', and my conservative estimate is at least 2 million. Therefore, good or bad, Biden's Amnesty will gradually increase the EMPLOYMENT RATE.

 

Thus, from ''off the books'' to ''on the books'', and my conservative estimate is at least 2 million. Therefore, good or bad, Biden's Amnesty will gradually increase the EMPLOYMENT RATE.

FISCALLY.......

a. FEDERAL.....No doubt Biden's Amnesty will cost Uncle Sam MORE money. The cost of services they will receive will undoubtedly be higher than THEIR tax contributions. LOGIC; Hispanic's median wage is lower than national average, and approx. 50% of taxpayers don't have a net Federal tax liability.

b. STATES & LOCAL.......According to the Migration Policy Institute, in 2018, 6% of said 11 million illegal immigrants were aged 16 and under (660,000). Thus, what will be their ''additional cost'', such as;

a. Medicaid
b. CHIP, and
c. Other social assistance/programs

In other words, will said additional (a.b.c.) surpass THEIR States and Local tax contributions?

 

Yes, we are required to use e-verify, we have more than 50 employees.

Here is a map of states that require the use of e-verify, and for whom. E-Verify Map | Learn What States Require E-Verify With LawLogix

If the government, State or Federal, have reason to believe an employer has hired an illegal immigrant, regardless of intentional or not, the labor audit can be excruciating. The penalties for even inadvertently hiring an illegal immigrant can hamstring a business.

That is likely why many are paid under the table - no records at all, but many businesses can't or won't do that. Likely why they go for the agricultural jobs where cash is quite common. The other method I've been told about, when a worker is paid by the 'piece' (or bushel) is for multiple workers to actually do the work, and turn it in under one legal worker's name.

 

I'm talking about California's central valley. If illegals were suddenly removed, farms would go belly up.

 

• Sixty-nine percent of those surveyed said they either “strongly” or “somewhat” support an earned pathway to citizenship for undocumented immigrants who arrived in the U.S. before Jan. 1 of this year and who can pass a background check and pay taxes.
• https://thehill.com/changing-americ...ans-back-path-to-citizenship-for-undocumented

 

One point of clarification. A proposal requiring only qualified applicants to meet certain criteria before being granted citizenship is not amnesty.

 

STATES & LOCAL.......Recent articles, Republican Land

Illegal immigration a benefit to Texas economy, new study finds
https://www.houstonchronicle.com › texas › article › Ill...May 18, 2020 — The state of Texas made more than $420 million off immigrants living in the state...

Undocumented Texans contribute billions to the economy ...
https://www.dallasnews.com › commentary › 2018/06/05Jun. 5, 2018 — In Texas, undocumented immigrants are an asset, and a valuable ... state, and for decades, they've helped create the Texas growth story. ... “Without exception, every analysis has demonstrated that immigrants are beneficial,” he wrote. ... “Helping legal immigrants is OK, helping illegals is not,” one wrote, ...

Economic benefits of illegal immigration outweigh the costs ...
https://news.rice.edu › 2020/05/18 › economic-benefits...May 18, 2020 — Indeed, for every dollar the Texas state government spends on public services for undocumented immigrants, new research indicates, the state ...

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So what was the reason for this post??

So changing of laws, changed how migrants moved.
And when quotas were changed away from Mexico, some decided to stay because some were not being allowed back in.

 

Well if amnesty is popular you should have no problem getting it through.

 

Cesar Chavez is a lot later than 66. And guest worker programs are not generally affected by immigration laws. Unless specifically stated other wise.

 

None that aren't already here...