Bible Contractions Graphic

In the OT, God divorced the Northern Kingdom of Israel for adultery [whoring after false gods.] Jeremiah 3:8.

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So, the ideas about the God character, the devil, heaven, hell, eternal life, angels, demons, etc. , are just BS. Thanks for clearing that up.

 

You should join the church. You're almost as good at twisting my words into something I didn't say as the glitterbug preachers are at twisting the Bible into something it doesnt say. You could make a killing.

 

not biting.

 

If you do, the punishment is eating soap.

 

At the very least the graphic does make you really think of how to properly interpret the bible.

 

That's fair. But, on the other hand, in some ways it was a "temporary" divorce, so some might say it was more like a separation.

 

Yes, I'd say about half of those alleged "contradictions" (in the link) could easily be explained by anyone with a grasp of basic logic and familiarity with the Bible, and another 40% could easily be explained by your average experienced theologian.

Even a basic internet search could lead to satisfactory answers to most of those harder to explain seeming contradictions.

 

You are close...

It was a divorce... and according to God's word, it would be an abomination for God to take her back as His wife.

THIS is why God incarnated as Jesus Christ to die for Israel's sins. God's death dissolved the old marriage covenant. Jesus said His people are bought with a price. Jesus' blood is the blood of the New Covenant. Jesus paid the ultimate bride price [death] to remarry ALL Israel = the bride in the book of Revelation.

The Northern Kingdom of Israel who God divorced consisted of 10+ tribes [the vast majority of Israelites.] God used Assyria to totally destroy their kingdom, remove all of them from Palestine and scatter them among the gentiles and they became gentiles. Their descendants who became Christians are what Paul called the wild olive branch grafted back on the olive tree in Christ [olive is a Biblical symbol for Israel.] In Hebrews 8:6-13 when referring to God's New Covenant [New Marriage] in Jesus Christ, Paul quoted from Jeremiah 31:31-33 which refers to a future time when God will make a new covenant [new marriage] with both houses of Israel.

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Translation: Because those THOUSANDS of factually DOCUMENTED bible CONTRADICTIONS cause Cognitive Dissonance for believers they are "hand waved" away with meaningless PABLUM about "god haters" and similar DRIVEL that can NEVER be substantiated.

Sad!

 

Its like an ink blot test. You can see whatever you want to see in it.

 

Yes, they can be answered poorly with a lot of mental gymnastics. I really like the excuses for the differing number of angels at Jesus's tomb. It's not technically wrong for one book to mention just one angel if there were two like the other books say!

And this one I just now found by searching:

"Even though I accept and affirm the inerrancy of Scripture, inerrancy is not required of reliable eyewitnesses."
https://coldcasechristianity.com/writings/how-many-angels-were-present-at-jesus-tomb/

 

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To paraphrase Genesis 50:20... this topic was created for the evil intent to harm God's people... but God can use it for good... and my posts here have done that by using this topic to educate God's people.

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Thats probably accurate. But if that is accurate, then some people want to see an angry, vindictive God manipulating, dividing and oppressing people. Why would anyone want to see it that way?

 

Disturbing isn't it? I think people have a natural tendency to fear the unknown. Note how they conveniently see a saviour in the mix though, so they can be saved but their enemies will suffer.

 

I believe thats one big area where 'the church' has inserted its own narrative to manipulate society.

 

It's sad that people aren't interested in proving the Bible true. Instead, they are almost madmen obsessed with proving the Bible false. There are several reasons for this but the most prevalent in today's society is the push for Communism. We saw it this week with Biden's push for packing the Supreme Court and the dirt-bag House Democrat representatives pushing a bill to pack the courts and eliminate the filibuster in the Senate. Make the Senate obsolete and part of the House while watering down the Supreme Court and making it obsolete as well. You end up with a Soviet-style Politburo that is also eliminating 1st amendment religious rights as well. Attacking the Bible is part of this Communist well-constructed attack. Notice that the Democrats stick together pushing 3 narratives all the time and don't deviate until the general sheepish public gets on board enough: The evil Donald Trump's fault; Racism; Climate Change. Kamala Harris today said the problem at the boarder is climate change. Court Packing is because of Donald Trump and the Racist Supreme Court. They are all Jim Crow advocates even thought Joe Biden is the one with Jim Crow supporting actions while a Senator.
The braindead writers in this site that keep pushing that the Bible is full of contradictions will continue to do their part in this Communist push until enough people will believe their drivel.

 

The so-called contradictions have all been sufficiently answered and there are no contradictions. Simple logic and reasoning have answered your god-hate drivel. That won't change your narrative because it fits in with the Communist Democrats narrative to dismantle all that this Nation was founded upon. Life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. The Bible and God keep people from being manipulated by communists. That's why you don't hear Democrats pushing for individual self-reliance. Because God and the Bible teach to be self-reliant. That hurts the Democrats attempt to make the "State" the people's god. So, you try to tear down the Bible and God and hoping to reach those who don't read the Bible.

 

Once again, you don't understand much of anything. Eyewitness accounts are mostly either wrong or incomplete. Why incomplete? Because, the eyewitness is focused in on one thing of importance and explains what they see and hear differently. Doesn't make their account wrong, but incomplete. However, sometimes the account a person sees is wrong as well as incomplete. This is what you are showing. Not that there are any contradictions proving the Bible is a lie. Heck, thousands of years passed by in a few chapters of Genesis. So, does that mean there are contradictions? No. So, here you go:

There were two angels seen by the women at the sepulchre, and they were standing up [Luke 24:4]

There was but one angel seen, and he was sitting down [Matt 28:2,5]

It is quite possible that much of the confusion about these trivial facts stems from the fact that many women went to the tomb that morning (Luke 24:10). It's possible, at the very least, that a group of women came to the tomb, and saw that the stone had been rolled away. Some women went inside, but the more timid remained outside. Those inside saw the vision of the two angels, while those outside saw the angel on the stone.

Also, in response to the manner in which this supposed contradiction is presented, I would point out that a.) Matthew does not say there was "but one angel," he simply focuses on the angel who moved the stone; b.) the Greek word in Luke rendered "stood near" also means, "to come near, to appear to." In Luke 2:9 and Acts 12:7 it is translated as "came upon." Thus, Luke may simply have said that angels suddenly appeared to them without reference to posture. Strictly speaking, one would be hard pressed to establish a contradiction in terms of numbers or posture even without my possible explanation.


There were two angels seen within the sepulchre [John 20:11,12]

There was but one angel seen within the sepulchre [Mark 16:5]

These are not the same incidents. John's account is particular to Mary after she followed Peter and John back to the tomb, which was later than the account cited in Mark.

Now, I myself once stumbled upon a "better" contradiction. When Mary runs back, she is scared and thinks that the body has been stolen. Then she returns to the tomb and weeps. Now isn't this odd given that she supposedly heard the angels say that "He is risen"? Why so much despair after that miraculous experience? It doesn't seem to add up. Of course it is possible that she had not fully comprehended what occurred, as one has to be careful in expecting people to respond coherently. But I think the answer is more clear if we consider John's account.

John notes that she went to the tomb and saw that the stone had been removed from the entrance. "So she came running to Simon Peter and the other disciple, the one Jesus loved and said, "They have taken the Lord out of the tomb, and we don't know where they put him". (John 20:1-2). Then Peter and John ran to the tomb only to find the empty burial wrappings. Mary must then have followed them, but when she got there, they had gone, so she stood there crying, worried that the body of Jesus had been stolen. Then two angels appeared to her, and then the risen Jesus did. In short, the reason she was in despair is probably because she didn't go into the tomb with the other women. As they approached the tomb, they saw it open, and probably began to worry amongst themselves that grave robbers came and stole the body before they could anoint it. At this realization, Mary probably left the group and bolted back to tell the others.

Enough of your nonsense and attacks. Wrong understandings, incomplete information and different accounts is all you have here.

 

Not the same incident? Oh, that's a new one by me! Good mental gymnastics, my friend.

John 20:

1 Early on the first day of the week, while it was still dark, Mary Magdalene went to the tomb and saw that the stone had been removed from the entrance.
2 So she came running to Simon Peter and the other disciple, the one Jesus loved, and said, “They have taken the Lord out of the tomb, and we don’t know where they have put him!”
3 So Peter and the other disciple started for the tomb.
4 Both were running, but the other disciple outran Peter and reached the tomb first.
5 He bent over and looked in at the strips of linen lying there but did not go in.
6 Then Simon Peter came along behind him and went straight into the tomb. He saw the strips of linen lying there,
7 as well as the cloth that had been wrapped around Jesus’ head. The cloth was still lying in its place, separate from the linen.
8 Finally the other disciple, who had reached the tomb first, also went inside. He saw and believed.
9 (They still did not understand from Scripture that Jesus had to rise from the dead.)
10 Then the disciples went back to where they were staying.

Jesus Appears to Mary Magdalene
11 Now Mary stood outside the tomb crying. As she wept, she bent over to look into the tomb
12 and saw two angels in white, seated where Jesus’ body had been, one at the head and the other at the foot.
13 They asked her, “Woman, why are you crying?” “They have taken my Lord away,” she said, “and I don’t know where they have put him.”
14 At this, she turned around and saw Jesus standing there, but she did not realize that it was Jesus.
15 He asked her, “Woman, why are you crying? Who is it you are looking for?” Thinking he was the gardener, she said, “Sir, if you have carried him away, tell me where you have put him, and I will get him.”
16 Jesus said to her, “Mary.” She turned toward him and cried out in Aramaic, “Rabboni!” (which means “Teacher”).
17 Jesus said, “Do not hold on to me, for I have not yet ascended to the Father. Go instead to my brothers and tell them, ‘I am ascending to my Father and your Father, to my God and your God.’”
18 Mary Magdalene went to the disciples with the news: “I have seen the Lord!” And she told them that he had said these things to her.​

Mark 16:

1 When the Sabbath was over, Mary Magdalene, Mary the mother of James, and Salome bought spices so that they might go to anoint Jesus’ body.
2 Very early on the first day of the week, just after sunrise, they were on their way to the tomb
3 and they asked each other, “Who will roll the stone away from the entrance of the tomb?”
4 But when they looked up, they saw that the stone, which was very large, had been rolled away.
5 As they entered the tomb, they saw a young man dressed in a white robe sitting on the right side, and they were alarmed.
6 “Don’t be alarmed,” he said. “You are looking for Jesus the Nazarene, who was crucified. He has risen! He is not here. See the place where they laid him.
7 But go, tell his disciples and Peter, ‘He is going ahead of you into Galilee. There you will see him, just as he told you.’”
8 Trembling and bewildered, the women went out and fled from the tomb. They said nothing to anyone, because they were afraid.
9 When Jesus rose early on the first day of the week, he appeared first to Mary Magdalene, out of whom he had driven seven demons.
10 She went and told those who had been with him and who were mourning and weeping.
11 When they heard that Jesus was alive and that she had seen him, they did not believe it.​

They disagree on an awful lot here, but they do agree that this was "early on the first day of the week." In fact, that and the stone being rolled away from the tomb is about all they agree on!

One says it's still dark, the other says it's just after sunrise (again, on the same day of the week). Mark has them enter the tomb and be informed by one "young man dressed in a white robe" that Jesus was risen, and he went on to give them a message for Peter and the disciples. John has Mary alone discover the empty tomb and take off running to Simon Peter and "the other disciple, the one Jesus loved," and tell them that Jesus had been removed from the tomb and that "we" (I guess John forgot to include Salome and the other Mary -- what a poor divinely inspired author!) *ahem* "don't know where they have put him." Then Peter and the boys go to check it out, see the strips of linen but no body, shrugged and left.

These accounts are wildly different in almost every detail, but both claim it took place early in the morning on the first day of the week. There is no way these are somehow separate incidents unless, I dunno, Mary and the disciples all had a severe case of short-term memory loss that morning?

 

For some of us, we can take two pieces of information and organized them in our minds quite easily. Apparently, you are unable to do this. So, here goes:
1. In John, Mary goes to the tomb and sees the stone rolled back. There is no mention that she looked in the tomb before going to Peter. Peter and others went to the tomb and Peter went in but Mary stayed out. Later, she looked in and saw two angels. But, in Mark, she went in before going to Peter. At that time, she was presented with one angel that told her to go to Peter. John left that out. So, these two incidences were separate times Mary looked into the tomb. In fact, the first time when she saw only one angel, she entered the tomb. After going to get Peter, she looked in for the second time and saw the two angels. I stand by my first statement that these are two separate times Mary looked in the tomb in the same story and the same day. Understand now?
2. As stated before, each Apostle wrote about the same event with different viewpoints and John did not see a reason to include Salome. That doesn't make anything a contradiction. He left something out as I stated happens. Neither Mark nor John were with the women and based on what Mary said to them, they heard something different or perhaps John misunderstood Mary that the other women went into the tomb. Not a contradiction. Perhaps Mary said to John, "I went into the tomb." And, he said to Mark, "We went into the tomb." Who knows. We weren't there. But, it's clear that Mary looked into the tomb twice but not at the same time. No Contradiction.

 

You're leaving out significant details that are inconvenient to your desire to harmonize these wildly different accounts, sir. You're chopping them up to make them fit together as best you can.

You say: At that time, she was presented with one angel that told her to go to Peter. John left that out.

But Mark says: “Don’t be alarmed,” he said. “You are looking for Jesus the Nazarene, who was crucified. He has risen! He is not here. See the place where they laid him.
7 But go, tell his disciples and Peter, ‘He is going ahead of you into Galilee. There you will see him, just as he told you.’”

That's John leaving an awful lot out! And Mark claims that the women said nothing to anyone about it because they were afraid, which would mean that Mark neglected to mention that they told Peter and the others about it and even went so far as to claim the opposite, that they told no one about it, instead.

And then it gets even worse. John says: So she came running to Simon Peter and the other disciple, the one Jesus loved, and said, “They have taken the Lord out of the tomb, and we don’t know where they have put him!” So, I guess we are to conclude that Mary simply did not believe the robed man in the tomb, but ran to Peter and told him -- contrary to what Mark says -- nothing of what the man had told her in the tomb, but telling him instead that Jesus had been taken from the tomb and that she did not know where he was taken to. Why would Mary leave out something as significant as a guy in a white robe telling her something so extraordinary? Is it the author's failure or Mary's? Either way, the guy in the tomb did a poor job telling Mary to deliver that message, didn't he? And it seems Mary #2 and Salome couldn't be bothered to pass that information along, either.

So, following John, we come back to the tomb and the guys look inside and find nothing but strips of linen, and then they leave. Nothing about what Mary M. (and Mary #2 and Salome) had been told by the guy in the tomb. Indeed, nothing at all about him. It's as if John had been completely unaware of him and what he had said.

But then comes the real kicker. Following John, two more guys in white (this time called angels -- was guy #1 in Mark's account not an angel?) appear to Mary, and they start out with the same line. "Woman, why are you crying?" Somehow, I'd expect some kind of recognition on her part upon hearing the same greeting twice from another dude in white in the tomb, but no. She just responds with “They have taken my Lord away and I don’t know where they have put him.”

Was she stupid? Did she completely forget the first guy in the tomb? Her reaction to the two angels in the tomb makes no sense in this harmonization, just as her apparent failure to tell the disciples what the first guy in white had told her -- including a specific message that she was supposed to convey to the disciples -- makes no sense.

I can see how you think this works. I get your logic here, but I don't find it at all convincing.

 

Part of your problem is you think this is a story that didn't happen. So, you are judging people's reactions as they would in a novel or a movie. This was real life. You are thinking that Mary should react differently when she saw two angels after seeing the one angel. Why? She was upset over where Jesus was both times and in a short period of time. Second, how did she know they were necessarily angels? What do angels look like? That's a preconceived idea of yours as well. The fact is, both John and Mark were told of this story. By who? The same person or different people? They wrote what they were told that happened or what they remembered. Therefore, it's necessary to put the two accounts together to derive what actually happened. Even with that, the story is not missing anything. In John, Mary goes to the tomb and sees the stone rolled back. There is no mention that she looked in the tomb before going to Peter. Peter and others went to the tomb and Peter went in but Mary stayed out. Later, she looked in and saw two angels. But, in Mark, she went in before going to Peter. At that time, she was presented with one angel that told her to go to Peter. John left that out. So, these two incidences were separate times Mary looked into the tomb. In fact, the first time when she saw only one angel, she entered the tomb. After going to get Peter, she looked in for the second time and saw the two angels. I stand by my first statement that these are two separate times Mary looked in the tomb in the same story and the same day. Understand now?

"And Mark claims that the women said nothing to anyone about it because they were afraid, which would mean that Mark neglected to mention that they told Peter and the others about it and even went so far as to claim the opposite, that they told no one about it, instead."

Answer: "Trembling and bewildered, the women went out and fled from the tomb. They said nothing to anyone, because they were afraid." This happened after they were at the tomb. They went somewhere and slept. They told no one else other than Peter and those with him, but this was prior to seeing the angels and being afraid. They arose and came back the next day. Nothing wrong here. Nothing out of place. You truly are getting confused and lost.

Is this event told with complete accuracy? Pretty much. Is it told with complete detail? No. Is it told with understanding of what happened? Yes. Jesus rose on the 3rd day completing the ever important Atonement. Praise to the Lord. I feel sorry for you for not being able to understand the Gospels, what they are and how to understand them.

 

I understand the gospels quite well, thank you very much. I understand them to be mythical tales bearing little resemblance to history, although they do provide some insights into the religious thinking of the period. They borrow a lot from earlier cults and traditions and manage to marry the Hebrew god with the then-popular solar deity concept (which was big in Rome, the dominant power and the one the Zealots were warring against at the time) quite nicely, even if they had to ignore or reinterpret a lot of what the Old Testament says.

I place the gospels in historical context and see them as a product of a turbulent period in Judea, a time following the destruction of the Temple, and with it Temple Judaism, and the diaspora of the Jews. One noteworthy characteristic of the gospels is that they're very pro-Roman, encouraging people to pay their taxes and not to fight the Roman authorities. They also do a fine job replacing the destroyed temple with Jesus and worship of him, a solar deity whose life, death and rebirth reflect the sun's journey through the Zodiac with its "death" and "rebirth" between winter solstice and spring equinox. The language of light and darkness used throughout is one easy indication, but it goes much deeper than that, too. The basic idea, though, is that the eternal sun - Sol Invictus - can give eternal life to mortals the way it brings life to the world.

But yeah, I was raised a conservative Lutheran and believed the Bible to the point of facing a conflict with the natural sciences, especially where evolution and the age of the earth were concerned. It bothered me enough that I finally accepted what I knew in my heart and stopped forcing myself to "believe" the Bible. Christians continue to wage a holy jihad against science today because there is no reconciling the Bible with modern science. Its creation myth is too different from scientific theory and consensus, yet too fundamental to Christian teachings to be ignored and too specific to be reinterpreted to fit with science.

 

Because that is EXACTLY the way it is WRITTEN in your INFALLIBLE "word of god".

And HISTORY is FULL of "angry, vindictive" FOLLOWERS of your imaginary deity "manipulating, dividing and oppressing people".

So why would anyone NOT want to deal with those FACTS?