Biden nominates three to USPS board of governors as DeJoy testifies on mail crises

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  1. AmericanNationalist

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    Those investments mean nothing relative to his job. The difference between the Australian post office, and the American one as demonstrated by Australian posters here is clearly that of competence. The kind of competence I alluded to when this stupid conspiracy theory took hold.

    Let me give fair warning: Democratic post master ain't going to make a difference. Being willing to actually solve the problems will. Make it more efficient and profitable to have on-time delivery services, and maybe cut down on wasteful mail to increase said efficiency.
     
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    I agree completely with your last sentence. Maybe our Government should not support globalism and the importing of cheap labor, both skilled and unskilled.

    But getting back to the USPS, should we make mail delivery some sort of welfare system by overpaying workers or should mail delivery pay be based on the economic reality of supply and demand?
     
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    If I may add, Republican Post masters won't make a difference either. The key issues are the unrealistic pricing and service delivery metrics imposed imposed by the US Government collectively. Elon Musc couldn't run the postal service at a profit while that situation remains in place.
     
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    Depends on what degree of 'welfare composite' you think might be included in the salary of the average 'coal face' employee. If your local mail man drives off to work each morning in a late model BMW that would suggest a very large and unnecessary 'welfare' component. I very much suspect that would not be the case though.
     
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    Biden did better than giving a relative a government job, he got his son all kinds of jobs with Amtrak, Burisma and China and his brother did very well too. And this was when The Big Guy was Vice President.
     
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    If you owned a lot of stock in UPS and you had the power to screw up the post office......
     
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    The welfare component is the difference between what a union employee and a non-union employee would be paid to do the same job.
     
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    That was my point. If the mail man drives a BMW his salary is way over what could be considered reasonable/necessary for the job. Hence there would be a huge welfare component in his salary. I don't know what a US Postal worker earns P.A. but you'd have to break that down and compare his/her the duties/responsibilities to say a lower paid delivery driver to see how much of a welfare component there was.

    As I said previously, de-unionizing might make it cheaper. Not sure it would make it better by any other metric. I suspect the biggest impost now would be pension entitlements though. So not so easy to do since they would have to be paid out.
     
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    Of course. My whole point was more against this "OMG, Republicans want to suppress the mail-in vote" conspiracy theory that held every since, what September of 2020. It was absolutely ridiculous and stupid when I read the information, and my country's just going down the damn drain. Like literally, the rest of the world is probably laughing. In a few decades, America sadly won't be the beacon of leadership. It's a big question mark on who will be.
     
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    Not sure its as bad as that. At least not yet. A lot depends on who runs for the Republicans at the next election. A MAGA candidate would be a disaster. A more traditional 'presidential' Republican would be a bonus, even if he/she didn't win.
     
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    'Presidential' at this point is giving speeches everyone agrees with, no solutions to problems at all and a bunch of meaningless hand wringing. I admire you Europeans, you've got it right.
     
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    Australian actually. But what I meant by Presidential was more 'consistency'. Business and allied governments both want and need it for any kind of medium to long term planning. Its vital. And it was sorely lacking last term.
     
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    Is Australian seen as part of the Americas? I thought it was always European or is it its own country without a particular designation or allegiance?
     
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    Sort of split cilitutally between the two. Strong American cultural influences over an Anglo/Eruo base. Large mix of 'other' now as well.

    Pretty relaxed actually.
     
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    Well we certainly aren't part of Europe. Geographically we are part of Oceania (not Asia, as too many people seem to think). Culturally we are like Kiwis & the non-French part of Canada, bit wiht more sun & better beaches than either.
     
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    Good summary. I would add to this that the core functions of AP are still heavily unionized, though parcel delivery (though not sorting and depot to depot transport) is outsourced. Of those functions letter delivery is by far the more reliable. Even when it was 5 day a week delivery and operating two different pricing systems the letter service was very reliable.
     
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    Can you expound on this (bolded) please?
     
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    I have never had an issue with the USPS until Republicans decided to sabotage it. If something doesn’t fit in the mailbox (which is rare as I have a large parcel box) then my mailman drops it off at the door.

    Prior to the Republican sabotage USPS and UPS & FedEx lost or delayed mail at about the same rate which was very very rare.

    I love how Republicans always scream about jobs but shutting down a very large employer that costs the taxpayer nothing and could easily be a money maker if Republicans were not trying to dismantle it makes y’all salivate to force a much more expensive alternative.
     
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    I never proposed shutting down to USPS. I proposed outsourcing mail delivery. There would still have to be USPS management and employees to perform contract management functions.

    Can we agree that the USPS should shut down their covert spy program.
    https://news.yahoo.com/the-postal-s...s-americans-social-media-posts-160022919.html
     
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    They didn't sabotage the USPS, they tried to adjust for their economic downturn. With any business, a reduction in revenue usually coincides with lesser quality. Rather than blaming the postmaster, this government should actively address the issues with the USPS but that would point the finger at Congress, and no one wants to ever take the blame for that.

    The 'MAGA' agenda is the "Anyone who actually cares to serve their country" agenda, it can be fulfilled by anyone who isn't on team D or R and wants this country to succeed. Because it sure as hell isn't coming from Capitol Hill right now.
     
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    Biden seems to lack Trump's love of nepotism
     
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    Except that Biden does not do what you accused him of, but Trump did.
     
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    the USPS started outsourcing here under Trump, we now have temp delivery people
     
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    They tried to adjust for the economic downturn (which was about to be corrected via the vaccinations) by destroying new sorting machines?
    Really?

    That doesn’t make the slightest bit of sense. Maybe you can explain...

    You do know that the financial issues that plague the USPS is because they have to prefund pensions — something no other company or agency does — which was cause BY congress. Yes?

    We all saw what the MAGA agenda was; smearing over half the nation, narcissism, nepotism, selfishness and arrogance. All that agenda does is replace the swamp with the sewer.
     
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    Why would they outsource mail delivery? They do it less per item than their competitors do. Once their fleet is all electric this cost will be even less.

    I do agree the USPIS needs to focus on mail crimes and not the issues in the article above, it says they work with other defense agencies so I question who authorized this? The USPIS is needed however.
     

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