Where Is The “Climate Emergency”?

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    Straw man.
     
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    Actually it's an investment in real property.
     
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    Land having frontage on the Oceans, Lakes and Rivers are highly prized by Americans.
     
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    How epidemiologists try to fool us with flawed statistical practices

    Posted on May 17, 2021 by curryja | 68 comments
    by S. Stanley Young and Warren Kindzierski



    Climate Etc. recently carried several insightful posts about How we fool ourselves. One of the posts – Part II: Scientific consensus building – was right on the money given our experience! The post pointed out that… ‘researcher degrees of freedom’… allows for researchers to extract statistical significance or other meaningful information out of almost any data set. Along similar lines, we offer some thoughts on how others try to fool us using statistics (aka how to lie with statistics); others being epidemiologists and government bureaucrats.

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    JC has always been one of my favorites.
     
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    Make room, make room!
     
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    Yet it is often those in the outside sphere that have pointed out the errors of the 'reliable sources'. I do find that there is a blindness to anyone that is not considered the 'reliable source' even when the 'reliable source' has been proven wrong or has others with different scientific opinions.
     
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    Here are a few facts.

    Science is a process, not an institution. Most scientific papers do not stand the test of time so beware when the media picks up something as it is often misunderstood or exaggerated.

    Scientists often disagree with each other's theories. Both theories may be for the same outcome but coming from a different angle. Scientist are only human so often fudge their numbers to favor an outcome. This is very very common in science. For instance, cherry picking data if the data fits their idea and often scientists will vociferously defend their theory. That was the issue that was so published about with Michael Mann's hockeystick and Mikes hide the decline. It was not scientific malpractice, which is well defined, but something that happens all the time.

    The IPCC is a governmental body that uses science to form a framework to advise politicians. Politicians get to see a draft and change it. This has made climate science very politicized as there are various competing organizations for government money. Much of the scientific work behind the IPCC are not done by climate scientists but scientists with various specialties and assembled by the IPCC. Most scientists agree with the IPCC but most of the public doesn't understand what the agreement is about or of the many layered confidences in the IPCC. Instead for the public simple sound bites, often wrong, are accepted as fact. There is a fact that many of the so called science deniers, like Judith Curry actually agree with much of the IPCC but continues to fight against the misuse of RCP 8.5, the most unrealistic of the models, used as business as usual.

    Roger Pielke is also another alleged science denier even though he agrees with the IPCC but points out the misuse of $ of destruction to concur with warming when in fact, much of the $ of destruction increase have come from increased building in areas prone to damage.
     
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    Your prejudice is your prison.
     
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    Jack has been posting material from Curry pretty much as long as he has been here.
     
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    The Red one will eventually go eastward into cooler waters the next day or two, it will not make it to hurricane level, might reach Tropical Depression, that is it.

    The Brown one will go into Mexico as a possible Tropical Depression and that is all.
     
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    What's your point?
     
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    Warming has been the foundation of greatness.
    Scientists: “Particularly Intense” Warmth Corresponded To “Greatest Ancient Civilization Of All Time”
    By P Gosselin on 26. May 2021

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    Warmth led to the rise of the Roman Empire, while cooling accompanied its demise

    A new paper appearing in Scientific Reports titled “Persistent warm Mediterranean surface waters during the Roman period” by Margaritelli et al looks at the climate at the time of the rise and fall of the Roman Empire, and beyond. . . .
     
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    There is no emergency.
    The State of the Climate 2020
    • Date: 28/05/21
    • Global Warming Policy Foundation
    A new review of weather and climate data based on observational data from 2020 finds little evidence to support the idea of a “climate emergency”. The annual report, by Professor Ole Humlum, reviews a wide range of temperature and weather data, as well as records on sea-level, storms and ice and snow cover. Temperature records […]
     
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    We speak of freedom for everybody when you think it over.
    Democrats preaching of doom is a way try to turn the free human into a slave of politicians.
    We do not see renowned experts on climate frightening us. We hear them say calm the hell down. The earth is doing fine.
     
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    Truth or consequences: global warming consensus thinking and the decline of public debate
    Posted on June 1, 2021 by curryja | 216 Comments
    by Geoffrey Weiss and Claude Roessiger

    The so-called debate about the causes and effects of anthropogenic global warming (AGW) is a notable irony. Rather than a forum for free disputation, AGW has in recent years become the site of a consensus equating majority opinion with truth—leaving little, if any, room for debate. After all, doesn’t everyone but a misguided few agree that we are in the grip of an unparalleled, man- made climatic catastrophe?


    Challenging this consensus and its advocates often leads not to reasoned argument and coolheaded policy making but to sometimes overheated recrimination and silencing of those with alternative interpretations. This we discovered firsthand when, as close observers of AGW controversies since 2015, we convened a conference about climate change and public policy.

    Unanticipated events preceding the conference were an unsettling enough demonstration of the rule of consensus in contemporary life. Worse still, subsequent inquiry revealed that the AGW conference was just the tip of a bigger and—according to consensus—fast-melting iceberg. Beyond our conference and the controversies surrounding AGW, consensus thinking adversely impacts diverse other current issues, individual awareness of them, public discourse, policy making, the practice of science, and collective understanding of the nature of truth.

    https://judithcurry.com/2021/06/01/...us-thinking-and-the-decline-of-public-debate/

    I post this not to alarm or make angry, but so all readers can be informed. Information is your friend and propaganda is your enemy.
     
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