Why do gun control advocates constantly prattle about "high capacity magazines"

Yeah, I should have added the sarcasm tag.

Why were the 1995 and 2016 homicide rates for England/Wales the same? Over that same time period the homicide rate in the US decreased 34%.

Mass shootings make the news, but they are actually a very, very small part of the overall homicide rate. In 2016, the homicide rate in New Hampshire, who had virtually zero firearm restrictions, was 1.3, just slightly above England/Wales at 1.22, even with their draconian gun control measures. How did virtually no gun control in New Hampshire yield the same results as draconian gun control in England/Wales?

 

Then allow me to explain:
You fallaciously argue that correlation proves causation.
In fact, you know you cannot demonstrate the necessary relationship between the gun laws in (x) and their lower rate of gun-related violence.

 

Mass shootings make the news because they are a threat to the general population.

Who are most likely to be victim of gun homicide? Low income urban black men not your typical New Hampshire rural white guy. There may be up to 11,000 gun homicides a year, but there are 47,500 suicides a year and 70% are white men, that is 33,250 suicides. Most suicide attempts are impulsive acts and men are more likely to use a gun, that is why they are so successful at it. They are also more likely to take someone with them. The gun lobby doesn't care, it is the price of "freedom".

 

Random target mass shootings have accounted for an average of 36 deaths per year in the last 20 years.

That's a lower threat than choking on your own vomit (305 deaths in 2019); falling from chairs (314 deaths in 2019); drowning in the bathtub (562 deaths in 2019); dog bites (48 deaths in 2019); getting hit by a car while riding a bike (366 deaths in 2019); alcohol poisoning (2,290 deaths in 2019) or being hit by a car while walking (157 deaths in 2019)

Mass shootings don't make the news because of the threat they represent; they make the news because of the clicks they represent.

Mass shooting data: https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2012/12/mass-shootings-mother-jones-full-data/
Other deaths data: https://webappa.cdc.gov/sasweb/ncipc/leadcause.html

The firearm suicide rate grew 18% between 1999 and 2019, according to CDC data. The hanging/suffocation suicide rate grew 111% over the same time period.

"Most suicide attempts are impulsive acts"

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2597102/

"A total of 48.0% of the participants were impelled by sudden inclinations to attempt suicide. "
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4965648/

Given that hanging/suffocation suicides (almost 14,000 victims in 201 can be committed with common materials found in every household, and are the fastest growing method of suicide with a >60% effectiveness rate, what do you want to do to restrict belts and ropes?[/QUOTE]

 

Did you really just say that?

How are you unaware of the fact a mass shooting is the LEAST likely for someone to die?

 

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Shooting multiple members of the general public and accidental deaths is comparing apples and oranges. Society continuously tries to minimize accidental deaths by teaching the Heimlich maneuver, seat belt laws, bike lanes.....and mass shootings? In some states nothing is done for prevention. I noticed you used "random target mass shootings" in an attempt to minimize the problem. Actual statistics for mass shootings in 2020 resulted in 513 deaths and 2,543 injuries and you don't seem to understand the effect it has on the general public as compared to accidental death.

Suicide by other means like hanging, overdose, wrist cutting gives one a little time to reflect as you gather your rope or watch yourself bleed out, to change your mind. Gun to temple is quick and no going back. For older white guys that is the preferred method. Your citations denying the impulsivity of the act dealt with South Korea and the other was about liability issues of people under care.

What can be done? National red flag laws.

 

The general public is continually misled by the media as they conflate the number of the random mass shootings with the gang-related and domestic violence related "mass shootings", which aren't actually a threat to the general public. If you tell the average person that there were 500 mass shootings in a year, they will believe that those were all the random public type of mass shooting, which are scary. They really don't care about the gang related mass shootings because it doesn't present a threat to the vast majority of the population.

Society's current solution to mass shooting are gun free zones. Perhaps "society" isn't the best source for solutions for gun violence.

"you don't seem to understand the effect it has on the general public as compared to accidental death."

I guess the general public is innumerate, then. Maybe an understanding of probability and statistics should be a requirement to vote.

Hanging is over 60% successful, compared to firearm suicide at 80%.

As a solution to what?

 

These numbers are almost exactly the same as accidental shootings - an exceptionally, nearly impossibly, small number, especially compared to the number of guns.

 

Minimizing and lack of concern about mass shooting may be popular with the gun clubbers, but the normies take mass shootings in schools, churches, etc. more seriously.

"Studies show that 24% of those who die by suicide made their decision just five minutes before making an attempt and 74% made the decision within an hour."



Guns are popular with old white guys....Red Flag law is a gun control law that permits police or family members to petition a state court to order the temporary removal of firearms from a person who may present a danger to others or themselves.

 

"Normies"
Because of their irrational fears, created by endless propaganda from those who know they can only advance their agenda by preying upon the emotions of the ignorant.

 

Yet Red Flag laws grant no power to actually do anything with the dangerous person, leaving him access to extremely dangerous tools for both suicide and homicide.

Red Flag laws aren't about protect a citizen or citizens in general - they're about gun confiscation enablement.

 

Confiscation w/o due process.

 

Except it doesn't take a few seconds, especially in an active shooter event where they aren't particularly concerned about losing their empty mags on the floor.

There may be some extremely marginal benefit, but the 2nd amendment is a fundamental individual right guided by the strict scrutiny test. This doesn't get anywhere near that bar.

Nor just the freedom of the general populace, absent the second amendment.

 

Correct. Any given limit on magazine capacity is arbitrary and capricious; arbitrary and capricious limits on rights violate the constitution.
To ban magazines over a certain size, those who seek to do so must -- demonstrate -- the necessity for and efficacy of doing do.

 

You misspelled freedom.

 

You mean "freedom".
You cannot demonstrate that any of the restrictions you seek to lay on the exercise of the right to keep and bear arms will save lives.

Why do yo not understand that the enshrinement of constitutional rights necessarily takes certain policy choices off the table?

 

Did you notice how you avoided the point?
I did. So did everyone else.

 

Let's ban cars - they are the real killer.

 

https://time.com/4492872/kehoe-attack-history/
fertilizer, kitchen knives, anything else you want to ban?