6-year-old boy dies after being shot during road rage incident

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  1. Fangbeer

    Fangbeer Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    How exactly would you go about testing this hypothesis? Does your hypothesis apply to everyone? How could you possibly test that? Does this only apply to murder? How does it apply to self defense, and the ability to self defend? Can a woman as easily defend herself with a club as she can with a firearm? Can the display of a club deter an attack in the same way the display of a firearm can deter an attack?

    Follow the science, man.
     
  2. Doofenshmirtz

    Doofenshmirtz Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    What standards are those?
     
  3. Fangbeer

    Fangbeer Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    If I were king of the world murder would not exist.
     
  4. Rexxon

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    Sorry, rights are not ABSOLUTE.

    They can be changed.

    And if other people can be selfish and prioritize THEIR feelings over mine, well, so can I.

    I am not convinced more guns are the answer.

    Change my mind if you can. I promise to try to be open, as long as you are honest.

    Show me where a majority of murders are NOT done with a gun of any kind.

    Show me a weapon that can kill more people in a shorter amount of time that doesn't have additional cost or risk to the murderer?

    Otherwise, we can only wait for things to get worse.
     
  5. Fangbeer

    Fangbeer Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Guns are necessary because there apparently exist people in the world that believe that if only they could impose their own rules on everyone, the world would be a better place.
     
  6. Rexxon

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    I listed the general ones.

    You want specifics?

    You won't get them from me. I will leave the decision in whose standards to use to people more knowledge and moral than I.

    I await their response too.
     
  7. Fangbeer

    Fangbeer Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Tell me Rexxon, what am I allowed to do today?
     
  8. Doofenshmirtz

    Doofenshmirtz Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Fair enough. Now, how do you get the 200 pound rapist/murderer to comply with your standards?
     
  9. Rexxon

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    No complaints then when a majority of people change the law that puts more restrictions on guns, okay?

    We can do that, you know. It's not a ban or everyone has a gun. We can push fire more restrictions, and if you are a law abiding citizen, then you have to obey the law, right?
     
  10. Rexxon

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    By changing the behaviors that create that rapist in the first place.

    It won't be easy, or quick, but it has to be done.

    Or would you say it can't be done and we shouldn't even try?
     
  11. Collateral Damage

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    You realize you just highlighted Fangbeer's statement that you were responding to.

    You would impose your opinions on other people without regard to law abiding people exercising their Constitutional rights.
     
  12. Doofenshmirtz

    Doofenshmirtz Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    How?
     
  13. Rexxon

    Rexxon Well-Known Member

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    You can do what you want, as long as it's legal IMO. I certainly don't have the power to stop you.

    It's not illegal for me to try and convince people we need less guns in the world, so I will continue to do so.

    Have a good day.
     
  14. Rexxon

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    Well, IMO, we have to force people into a more moral mindset. One where you care for others as much as yourself.

    Weather that entails things like social shaming or reducing freedoms, that will be up to the country ada whole to decide, won't it.

    Like I said, not easy or quick.

    Let me ask you. What do you think is the future of our country if we do nothing, and no one compromises their ideals or rolls over?
     
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    Don't know about you, but One Flew Over The Cockoo's Nest comes to mind.
     
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  16. Rexxon

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    So constitutional rights can't be changed?

    Are constitutional rights absolute? No restrictions?

    And no, I don't consider the second absolute. Sorry. If it were, there would be no restrictions in place now.
     
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    well, I just denied your hilarious and untested theory. All countries have violence, so what’s your plan again?
     
  18. Collateral Damage

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    There would have to be an Amendment proposed, and then it is presented to the States, who either ratify the Amendment, or not. I believe 3/4 of the States would be required to complete an Amendment.

    Constitutional rights are protections of the Rights held by the people. Have you even read the Constitution?

    You 'consider' does not signify. Shall not be infringed is rather clear. Any abatements have been at the mercy of the people, which means they could be withdrawn at any time.
     
  19. Rexxon

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    So, explain how we have the restrictions we have now and how they haven't been stricken down as unconstitutional.

    And don't expect people that don't agree with you to rollover and stop fighting for what they believe in.
     
  20. Fangbeer

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    This conflicts with your premise. Your premise is that I cannot act in the way that I want, because of the potential that I may behave in a way that you don't want.

    I don't want to use my firearm to shoot 6 year old kids. But you say I should not have access to that firearm for use in other ways because of my potential to shoot 6 year old kids. At least be consistent, please.

    And no. In no case, yours or mine, do you have the power to stop me. Laws create consequences for behavior. They may influence behavior, but they can't stop behavior.
     
  21. Fangbeer

    Fangbeer Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Not to mention the changes that would be required to state constitutions, many of which explicitly protect the right to own arms and use them for self defense.
     
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    The right to keep and bear arms is a fundamental right of the people, specifically protected by the constitution.
    As such, it is every bit as "absolute" as the right to free speech, free press, free exercise of religion, the right to vote and the right to have an abortion.
    Any restriction you would lay on the right to keep and bear arms, if similarly laid on any of those rights and violate same, then violates the right to keep and bear arms.
    Talk to me when you amend the constitution.
    Until then, the 2nd amendment protects from infringement the right of the people to own and use for traditionally lawful purposes all "bearable arms".
    "Feelings"?
    I'm using rational informed thoughts. Your "feelings" do not override sound argument.
    I am fully certain the unnecessary and ineffective restrictions you seek to lay on the right to keep and bear arms is less of an answer
     
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    Wait....
    FIRST you say you;re OK with people having guns if they meet your standards.
    THEN you won't tell us what your standards are.
    :lol:
    You're a hoot.
     
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    What part of 'at the mercy of the People' is not clear enough? Laws vary State by State. And they do periodically get stricken down, and I'll take a wild guess and say you don't live in a Constitutional Carry State.

    So by evasion, you have not answered the question: Have you read the Constitution and the Bill of Rights? Yes or no?

    Something I never said, so that goes off into the strawman trash bin.
     
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  25. Fangbeer

    Fangbeer Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I really would like to know what gives you the impression that people can be controlled in this way? Are you and your opinion required to control people? Can others control people, entire societies of people? Is it ethical and moral to do so? Would society be better if we were all a big ole cult devoted to a benevolent leader, like ants? Do you think that's how human societies best function?
     

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