14-year-old girl who opened fire at deputies referred to Grand Theft Auto: Sheriff

Yea, right after Newsweek and Time magazine are banned for popularizing the AR-15 and creating dozens of copy cat mass murderers.

 

Yes, but I expect an adult to be able to outsmart two barely teenaged kids.

Nobody could have foreseen this happening. The owner did nothing wrong. Again, that doesn't mean there isn't something wrong with what happened. Will somebody read this story and focus more on his own gun safety habits? Hopefully. Point is, there are solutions if one wants them.

 

Huh? Have you forgotten Tipper Gore?

 

Advice on gun storage is not blaming anybody for anything. Why did you take it that way?

 

It would be quite strange for there to be an AK left in an unoccupied home. Not unheard of tho, I guess.

 

The whole thing is strange. Who called the cops? Was anybody from the group home aware of their absences before this story broke? Did they call the cops? How would the cops know where they were? None of it makes sense.

 

The guns, though tragic, are really not the issue. The issue is the abuse these kids suffered growing up unwanted. Where are the pro-lifers? From what they preach, a woman should give up her child for adoption. Because of all the loving homes out there just waiting for these unwanted pregnancies brought to term.

 

Most, if not all, posters rest the blame for this incident primarily on the kids, naturally. What has also been suggested though, is that the gun owner aided them, by making his weapon reasonably easily accessible to a 12 yr. old burglar (& so he bears some part of the responsibility).

If you look at your own post, you acknowledge that the gun-owner had good reason to believe that his house might be broken into; you even suggest he may have had the weapons specifically for defending himself, his wife, & his home, should that potential break-in occur while they were at the home. Surely, then, he must have realized the possibility of a break-in, while they were away-- which is actually how criminals prefer to do it-- no?

I think, then, the general point being made by so many, is along the lines of, if someone is going to own something that, not just has the potential to to serious harm-- like a motor vehicle, or a carving knife-- but for which, harming others is one of its significant, INTENTIONAL uses, then the responsible thing, in order to safeguard other citizens from illegal use of this weapon by someone other than the owner, is to ensure that it is as hard as reasonably possible, to be taken from the owner's possession, by a burglar.

 

You have a very good handle on the English language. And you're much more patient than me. Lol.

Very good. Thread win.

 

good points

 

When you leave your house and lock your door do you assume your things will be there as you left them when you get back or do you just assume someone will break in and help them self?

 

I think those two are VERY different sets of circumstances. And I reiterate that my interpretation, in this situation, is the overwhelmingly prevailing understanding of that expression. Is it impossible that it occurred something like you speculate? No, I won't go that far. But is your scenario anywhere near as probable-- not by a long shot! If you were to recognize the mirror of accusation you point in my direction, you would realize that the image of the person who is hearing & seeing things in a skewed fashion, to match his preferences, is actually yourself. I am merely stating the most common translation, & hence, by far, the most likely truth. It is you who is searching for some loophole.

 

Because people like Durandal made the post about how stupid the guy was for not storing his gun and you seem to have an opinion on what constitutes the appropriate level of gun security before being labeled as one of the "stupid".

 

It's plenty sufficient enough when you see a locked door not to break into it it's obvious it's not your home so you don't enter it that's secure when you leave your home do you have an expectation that when you return to it it will be as you left it or do you actually expect people to break in and go through and remove your things?

 

Well, I wasn't paying attention to that conversation. My opinion is that this didn't have to happen. My arguments stem from that premise. Has nothing to do with any level or stupidity. I have no idea how you infer that.

What I'm saying is that "guns should be locked up" is an opinion. It's not an accusation.

I guess I wasn't following, but it just stuck out, so I commented.

 

Silly, but your first sentence reminded me of something.

Your car should be secured by more than a pane of glass.

This should do the job:

 

I think the juvenile detention center authorities could, and should have foreseen this. The "kids" were transferred from a secure juvenile justice facility and placed in the less secure group home setting.

 

Ah. You don't understand physics.
Even in a safe, they are not "secure" as you would use the term.

 

So, you standard of "security" is a locked car trunk.
How is this not met by a locked front and back door?

 

Yes. 12-- and 14-yr olds kids believe it is OK to break into a house and steal guns - and then use them to shoot at aw enforcement
"I'm going to roll this like GTA" the girl said. before she started shooting at the deputy.

But -you- blame thee gun owner for something you don't know if he did or not.

 

REALLY!?! Mine are locked in a keyed safe, locked in a keyed closet...."5, maybe10 seconds", hardly. Why the .357 is in the nightstand.....

 

And if this gun owner had followed that same thing the kids would have gotten a single pistol instead of the haul they did get.

 

Yeah, prohibiting drugs and texting while driving has worked so damn well.

 

Florida law states that firearms must be stored in a locked box, with a trigger lock ... IF the owner REASONABLY KNOWS a child under 16 can gain access to them. The Florida dept. of juvenile detentions failed to keep the 2 homicidal hooligans in their custody locked up.

 

So the part where kids illegally broke into a home, and stole them has nothing in your mind to do with the story? Assume the house was locked, what else do you expect folks to do?