Worker Shortage Crisis Deepening

That's not the argument.

I don't believe that to be true, sorry. Clearly I'm not alone.

Then the marketplace shouldn't be too surprised when workers decide to stay out of it. The idea that we can somehow separate a person's worth from their value in the marketplace is exactly what's wrong with a lot of businesses.

 

Ok. So let's summarize.

I hold that, because people are the most important thing (you know.... "...of the people...for the people".... and all that), everybody should make a living wage. You, on the other hand, have been defending a position by which businesses are more important. Mind you, not just any business. But businesses that rely on people who work 2 or more jobs to make a living. And your main argument appeared to be "we can't do it, so let's not even try". You know...the kind of "can't do" attitude that made America great. Like when Kennedy said "We can't go to the Moon, so let's not try..." or when MacArthur said "I shall NEVER return", or when the Wright Brothers said "This piece of crap won't fly!", or when Obama said "lose all hope that we'll ever get more people affordable healthcare"..,. That kind of thing.

So this is where we stand. And here is where we agree to disagree.... Thanks!

 

Except you cannot define a living wage, instead just giving some vague talking points.

I think they are co-equal. One cannot survive without the other. There are no employees without someone to pay them and there is no business without someone to do the work. You choose to ignore one side of the equation, I do not make that choice.

I do not make any distinction between business, this is just you making up more things.

Not at all, my main argument is that to do it artificially while only focusing on the employee will always fail. Your plan does nothing but raise the cost of living while salaries also rise. This helps nobody. All it does is have the people living in poverty making more than than before, but that money does not buy as much.

He should have said that and saved the country from ObamaCare

 

Of course I can't define it! There are experts who are paid to do that. The definition of a living wage is already established! Living wage sounds like some sort of "mystery" only to those who are completely clueless on all matters having to do with the economy.

They're not! Has nothing to do with "surviving". It has to do with "protecting". If you are to choose between saving the life of a company or the life of people, ... they are not equal!

I guess you could be one of those who thinks that we should never have shut down Asbestos plants. Well... we did.... Because the life of people is more important than the life of the business.!

However, you have demonstrated that my summary is accurate.

Any argument that relies on ascribing the word "only" to your opponent is, by definition, a failed strawman. But very typical on the right, when they run out of reasonable arguments.

I'm sure you believe that. It's clear you're terrified of saving the country from poverty. And Obamacare helps us do exactly that!

 

Let's say you propose a figure for ratification - let's go with $1000 per week. You run it by a sample group of regular folk. Half of them, via careful husbandry of that money, are able to live very well. The other half, by mishandling that money, struggles. Which determines whether the wage is adequate?

 

Nearly a million jobs below expectations in just last two months. Finally WH beings to face the obvious.

White House backing away from federal unemployment benefits after disappointing jobs report

One of our dumber White Houses.​

 

A minimum living wage has nothing to do with how somebody uses their income. If somebody who earns minimum wage decides to blow it all in a casino or if they decide to spend it in brand-name shoes, or they go out to dine to a $300 restaurant....that's up to each person. And it that has nothing to do with the estimation of a living wage.

A living wage is whatever wage people to make so they are not under the poverty line. No American who works a full time job should ever be under the poverty line.

 

LOL things are good in Florida huh? Ron Desantis red state being 1 of the 1st to fully reopen, much to the chagrin of Joe Biden. Your POTUS even threatened to impose sanctions on the state of Florida.

 

I've been in two restaurants in the past week, returning since Covid. Both said that they cannot hire enough people because of the continued insanely generous free money "unemployment" benefits given by the Biden administration.

 

Did you ask them how much they pay their employees?

 

As well he should. The whole point of restrictions is to save lives. If that's irrelevant to you, then you don't have restrictions. It's obviously irrelevant to DeSantis. As it wasn't for Trump.

Anyway... different topic. Many COMPANIES have had to raise their minimum wage in Florida. Not thanks to DeSantis, but thanks to Biden. Right wingers' contention is, as always, thus debunked.

One of these days you guys might start wondering why every time you turn out to be the ones that are wrong. And realize that you're just on the wrong side of.... basically everything (history, facts, morals...).

 

Bunk. There's no worker shortage. There is a WAGE shortage.

 

Bunk. There's no WAGE shortage. There is an entitlement issue where everyone wants to do the bare minimum but get paid the same as an EMT!

 

No, I asked other employees, not the owner. Would you ask a waiter or a cook how much money they make?

More liberal excuses why people should collect free money from the government while sitting on their asses. NYS has a $15 minimum wage. That's not good enough for you?

 

If the owner of a business was whining to me about not being able to hire anyone because of $300 a week, I would ask them how much they pay.

 

For whatever reason, you don't seem to want to understand that I didn't ask the owner(s) anything. I didn't speak to the owners. I asked a waiter and a cook how things were going in general and they both said that their fellow employees didn't want to come back to work because the unemployment benefits were "too good". $15 x 40 hours is $600 plus tips.

 

They would show up... except an outside market influence is impacting the labor market and incentivizing not showing up.

Let's not pretend that this represents free market principals.

 

All of which are losers.

But the fact that you bring them up tells me everything I need to know about your opinion.

 

I'll absolutely 100% make fun of any lazy able bodied SOB sitting on unemployment because they are too lazy to contribute.

**** them.

 

Let them get hungry.

 

That's dishonest. It doesn't consider the state provided unemployment, stimulus, etc.

That extra $300 translates to an extra $7.50 per hour.

Many people are making in excess of $15 an hour to sit on their ass.

People are lazy leeches if given the opportunity. This situation proves it.

Same reason social programs are so rife with fraud.

 

Its neither. There are plenty of able bodied workers and plenty of open positions. What we have is a motivation shortage. Human nature is to choose the path of least resistance. Government subsidized ass-sitting is easier than working. When the money runs out, they will have a huge gap in their resume.

I was interviewing a guy with an impressive resume, but there was a huge gap for 4 years. When I asked him about it, he said he went to Yale. When I said "You're hired" he said "Thank you. I really need the Yob"