True. I think we focus more on the holocaust because it happened in a western society - something we would have considered unthinkable and which hits home. Beyond that, Israel was born of the holocaust with major and continuing support of the USA and is a GIGANTIC political and humanitarian issue in the very middle of a region of huge and continuing importance to America. We can write off Stalin, Pol Pot and others on the grounds that they are far outside any acceptable moral framework. It's much harder to explain to other nations our ideas of morality, rule of law, belief in representation by the people, and other of our founding principles we like to CLAIM we stand for when we help and defend Israel's continuing humanitarian atrocities. Even a past leader of Mossad stated that Israel is a major foreign policy problem for the USA. Obviously, Stalin and Pol Pot are not.
There's apparently a reason that this thread ended up in the "Middle East" section of this forum. More than one person thinks that Israel would not exist if the holocaust had not happened. That's one of the reasons that the Holocaust Industry is so fervent in marketing its "product", the fraudulent holocaust narrative and lobbies so hard for draconian Holocaust denial laws. The holocaust legend is Israel's trump card when it comes to blunting attempts by the UN to enforcing international law concerning Israel's atrocities. For example, "The Trick" QUOTE: “Well, it’s a trick, we always use it. When from Europe somebody is criticizing Israel, then we bring up the Holocaust. When in this country people are criticizing Israel, then they are anti-Semitic..... And it’s very easy to blame people who criticize certain acts of the Israeli government as anti-Semitic, and to bring up the Holocaust, and the suffering of the Jewish people, and that is to justify everything we do to the Palestinians.”CONTINUED Shulamit Aloni https://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/PO1906/S00076/dont-be-caught-out-by-the-trick.htm The fact remains that the Zionist colony that was later to become Israel received training, arms and other supplies from Germany's National Socialists as early as the 1930s(1) The German Zionist Federation worked very closely with the Nazi government and even trained and armed Zionist terrorist group Haganah which is now IDF(2). In addition to these unsavory facts, the whole holocaust story is so exaggerated and fragile that it can't stand up to open debate and honest examination in at least 16 "free speech" democracies. Since the historical truth about Israel's Nazi roots and the grossly inflated holocaust story would negate "The Trick" and severely endanger public and private funding for the world's glut of holocaust theme parks, "holocaust denial" laws are essential in keeping the reparations money coming in and keeping the deception alive. After all, the truth welcomes open discussion and honest examination while a lie can withstand neither. Re: I am in complete agreement with the fact that America's unconditional support for Israel's atrocities and betrayals is severely detrimental to both countries. After all, Netanyahu accurately described the true nature of the US - Israeli alliance when he said: Netanyahu: “Once we squeeze all we can out of the United States, it can dry up and blow away” http://web.archive.org/web/20060512...pecial_Reports/092105Madsen/092105madsen.html (1) “Zionism and the Third Reich” https://www.ihr.org/jhr/v13/v13n4p29_Weber.html EXCERPT “In cooperation with the German authorities, Zionist groups organized a network of some forty camps and agricultural centers throughout Germany where prospective settlers were trained for their new lives in Palestine. Although the Nuremberg Laws forbid Jews from displaying the German flag, Jews were specifically guaranteed the right to display the blue and white Jewish national banner. The flag that would one day be adopted by Israel was flown at the Zionist camps and centers in Hitler's Germany. " CONTINUED (2) "Nazis SS Funded Nascent Israeli Army" https://www.henrymakow.com/israeli_haganah.html EXCERPT "In his 1988 book "Blowback," Christopher Simpson says captured SS records documented a covert agreement between the SS and the Haganah, the forerunner of the Israeli Defense Force. "Under the arrangement the Haganah was permitted to run training camps for Jewish youth inside Germany. These young people, as well as certain other Jews driven out of Germany by the Nazis, were encouraged to emigrate to Palestine." CONTINUED
My parents had no reason to hate Jews or anybody else. They also didn't oppose the Nazi Regime, in the contrary, they worshiped Adolf Hitler as Germany's savior. I come from the working class, and Hitler was for the workers 100%. We truly did not know Hitler had ordered the Jews all to be "slaughtered" = killed = gassed. Mind you, I was just a kid of under ten, but I was close to my parents and we three always sat together at mealtime. I could listen to their conversations, and that subject never came up. They were more worried about the latest bombing of Kiel and Hamburg and Neumuenster, more homeless people came to us and had to be made room for. We often had to get up during the night when the sirens howled and several hundred bombers flew right over our house towards Kiel. I would be outside with my Dad and we watched the sky turn red, while my mother sat in the kitchen with a small suitcase, ready to leave if we needed to. Of course, they also talked about the front and my brothers, all three went to war, two with the Waffen SS and the middle one to the Wehrmacht. Only two came back. So, your assumption is wrong! Roosevelt was a traitor to the American people. He also was a Jew and naturally hated the Germans and was seeking revenge. He encouraged Britain and France to declare War on Germany. Of course, the Brits were scared they might lose their hegemony over Europe to Germany, although Hitler had no such ambitions. I believe it! Now, have you heard about the Belgian Justice Minister, Stefaan De Clerck has voiced his support for an initiative to grant amnesty to all surviving Nazi collaborators? In line with his support, De Clerck commented about the Holocaust this week on state-run television channel RTFB and said the following: “At any given point, one should act in an adult way and be ready to discuss the issue and even to forget it because all this is past….” Read more here: https://www.israelnationalnews.com/Articles/Article.aspx/10300 ----- Have a Good Day!
I believe you. At a normal funeral, it would take 220 pounds of coal to cremate a single body. But that was not the case at Auschwitz. The corpses at Auschwitz were cremated during mass cremation without having to distinguish the ashes. After heating up, the oven temperature was kept at a high level by adding more corpses and compressed air. The Holocaust was an industrial genocide, Bro. Not a funeral. Don't forget that!
The Hitler guys tried to hide this as much as possible. The test run with Euthanasia showed little understanding among Germans. The Nazis' eternal fear of Jews. LOL. Prez. Roosevelt was a true hero and all of his GI's were too. We Germans owe our freedom to the Western Allies. God bless America!
The US didn't enter the war because of anything related to the persecution of Jews. That's just not what happened. The issue was that the fascist government of Germany was conquering neighboring nations and was threatening to take over the whole of Europe and possibly beyond. We started by helping allies, primarily UK. The battle of Britain was in July of 1940. We officially joined the war in December of 1941
In 1945 Germany was at war with over 50 countries. Hitler didn't declare war on most of them, he simply attacked and occupied them.
I guess you never heard of Benjamin Friedman... http://www.sweetliberty.org/issues/israel/freedman.htm Neither ever read anything of this.... http://www.renegadetribune.com/pres...-america-force-unjustified-global-war-decide/ I'm getting tired of spoon-feeding you guys!
Re: Thank you, I would never knowingly pass on information that I knew to be false. At least in the US, I don't believe that coal fired cremations are done anymore, they are usually gas fired cremations today. The cremations at Auschwitz were done not to erase evidence but to help prevent the spread of typhus and keep from contaminating the groundwater. They each took between 4 - 6 hours each and multiple cremations were rare if ever because of the size of the oven door and it saved no time. The cremations at Auschwitz did not reduce the body to ashes and left bones and teeth which had to be removed after each cremation so "back to back" or multiple cremations were not possible without routine cleaning and maintenance. As I mentioned earlier, the authentic Auschwitz records state that there was only enough coal/coke delivered to Auschwitz to cremate about 70,000 bodies. Additionally, the original, authentic Auschwitz Death Ledger states that only 68,864 people died at Auschwitz of all causes although typhus was the primary killer. The fraudulent Holocaust Industry likes to claim that its myths were verified by "mountains of documents" yet it ignores or represses the actual records that refute the profitable lies it spreads to anyone gullible enough to believe them. Re: There is absolutely no hard evidence to support this myth. There is no written order from Hitler calling for the genocide of anyone nor do Eisenhower, Churchill or de Gaulle record evidence of genocide in any of their post War books. Most importantly, the neutral Red Cross states that that there was no evidence of genocide(1) in its thorough inspections of all the German run camps: (1) "A Factual Appraisal Of The 'Holocaust' By The Red Cross - The Jews And The Concentration Camps: No Evidence Of Genocide" http://www.polskawalczaca.com/viewtopic.php?f=36&t=18054 EXCERPT "In dealing with this comprehensive, three-volume Report, it is important to stress that the delegates of the International Red Cross found no evidence whatever at the camps in Axis occupied Europe of a deliberate policy to exterminate the Jews. In all its 1,600 pages the Report does not even mention such a thing as a gas chamber. It admits that Jews, like many other wartime nationalities, suffered rigours and privations, but its complete silence on the subject of planned extermination is ample refutation of the Six Million legend." CONTINUED
Thanks for the very informative sources in your Post # 2112. I don't immediately know exactly how many countries that were officially at war with Germany but at least in the case of America, Hitler was compelled to declare war after Roosevelt ordered and had executed acts of war in the North Atlantic. It is especially noteworthy that Roosevelt the war monger ordered American ships to pursue and fire on German ships and other blatant acts of war before Germany's formal declaration of war. Additionally, Churchill was just as eager for war with Germany with the aid of the US and proved as much when he rejected the German peace offer(1), (2) that Hess was sent to deliver after Hitler let the British & French armies escape at Dunkirk. Germany's fight was with expansionist Communism as Stalin's massive army was in offensive positions and posed to sweep further Westward in 1941 - 1942. (3) It is a common maxim that the victors write the history but, regrettably, what they write is rarely complete, objective or accurate. (1) "What the World Rejected: Hitler’s Peace Offers 1933–1940" https://www.amazon.com/What-World-Rejected-Hitlers-1933-1940-ebook/dp/B00M5K8OEM EXCERPT " Written by Germany’s foremost diplomatic historian of the early twentieth century, this work maps out all the numerous times that Adolf Hitler made unconditional offers of peace to all the nations of Europe—and how the major anti-German belligerents, France and Britain, turned down these offers each and every time. - The full text of Hitler’s “Appeal for Peace and Sanity” speech, made before the Reichstag on July 19, 1940, following the fall of France. In that speech, Hitler once again offered unconditional peace to Britain. This speech was printed in English and dropped by the tens of thousands from German aircraft over Britain. Although nearly half the British cabinet wanted to take up his offer, Churchill’s warmongering put an end to this final offer of peace;"CONTINUED (2) "Hitler didn't want world war" http://www.redicecreations.com/specialreports/hitlernowar.html EXCERPT "Hitler didn't want a world war, and had no stomach for fighting England, according to Pulitzer Prize winning journalist Louis Kilzer, author of "Churchill's Deception" (Simon & Schuster, 1994). Hitler believed the future of Western civilization depended on the cooperation of Germany and her Aryan cousins: England and the United States. His territorial demands were limited to conquering Communist Russia, which he regarded as a proxy for Jewish world ambitions. He was determined to avoid fighting a war on two fronts. The "miracle at Dunkirk" was in fact an extraordinary peace overture to England. We don't normally associate Hitler with such magnanimity. In May 1940, the British were on the verge of defeat. The English army was trapped at Dunkirk. Rather than take them prisoner, Hitler halted his generals for three days allowing 330,000 men to escape. "The blood of every single Englishman is too valuable to shed," Hitler said. "Our two people belong together racially and traditionally. That is and always has been my aim, even if our generals can't grasp it." (Kilzer, p.213) Rudolph Hess, the Deputy Leader of Nazi Germany, was in contact with the Cliveden group and flew to England May 10, 1941 to negotiate peace. According to Kilzer, Hess had Hitler's complete blessings. CONTINUED (3) "Exposing Stalin’s Plan to Conquer Europe:…" https://www.counter-currents.com/201...onquer-europe/ EXCERPT "In Icebreaker, Suvorov details the deployment of Soviet forces in June 1941, describing just how Stalin amassed vast numbers of troops and stores of weapons along the European frontier, not to defend the Soviet homeland but in preparation for a westward attack and decisive battles on enemy territory. Thus, when German forces struck, the bulk of Red ground and air forces were concentrated along the Soviet western borders facing contiguous European countries, especially the German Reich and Romania, in final readiness for an assault on Europe."CONTINUED
It's not about typhus or poisoned groundwater. The Nazis simply wanted to get rid of millions of corpses they did produce through ethnic cleansing. Burning them to ashes was the most effective method to accomplish this. You might take it for a myth. Many others don't. They've read and heard the testimonies of the perpetrators and their helpers. Please visit this site: https://www.fritz-bauer-institut.de/tonmitschnitte-auschwitz-prozess (unfortunately, most is in German)
The whole world, except Iran or Persia and Japan! Here is a great book you should read. I'm sure you will like it, having been a soldier yourself: The Eastern Front: Memoirs of a Waffen SS Volunteer, 1941-1945 This link has some good comments... https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/24717211-the-eastern-front This link has the actual book: https://ia800708.us.archive.org/4/i...FrontMemoirsOfAWaffenSsVolunteer1941-1945.pdf I just read a few chapters again... it grips my heart. Wish I could have helped.
Thanks for the suggestion, I'll take a look at it. When I was living in Germany in the mid 1970s, I worked various jobs just to pay the rent, go to school and go for bicycle tours with my friends. One of the jobs was working with a stone mason who was formerly a young SS officer on the Eastern Front. Neither of us talked about our earlier lives as soldiers but I learned about his much more tragic life through his friends and neighbors. It seems like every time that June 6th rolls around, there are many celebrations of D-Day in which Allied Veterans are widely praised but conspicuously absent are the German WW 2 Veterans who were primarily defending their homes and trying to stop the spread of Stalin's Communism. I'm glad that you made it safely to Canada and are able to speak out for the many Germans who did not and endured the horrors of post War occupation.
In Canada, one shouldn't overdo cheering Nazi Germany. Ernst Zundel, who did just that, was expelled from the country.
Dearest Grau, one of these days you and I should get together and I will tell you about my life in Germany. For us in Schleswig Holstein there was no horror that I experienced or witnessed. We were occupied by the British and they treated us decently. They hardly bothered us after the initial house searches. The horror happened in the Russian Zone! That I came to Canada after having spent three years in Sweden, is sheer adventurous good luck and is entirely the fault of my amorous husband. That is another story I could tell you while sitting comfortably with you on the deck. But since neither you nor I are in a traveling mode, we will have to wait until we both can meet in "heaven"!
Re: Even the most casual student of WW 2 and the holocaust knows that the water table was especially high around Auschwitz and that's why the dead were cremated to prevent contaminating the groundwater just as anyone who knows anything about cremation knows that the whole body is not reduced to ashes because bones and teeth still remain(1). The "ashes" that families get after a family member is cremated is primarily ground skeletal remains that are processed in a bone grinding machine(1) If 1.1 million people were really killed at Auschwitz according to holocaustian mythology, there would be hundreds of millions of bones and teeth covering dozens of acres of land but nothing like that has ever been found. Why haven't they found the tens of millions of bones and teeth that should remain? The absence of this enormous mountain of bones is hard evidence that 1.1 million victims is yet another grotesque exaggeration. Re: I believe that you originally claimed that the holocaust was an "industrialized genocide" however nothing like that has been mentioned in any reliable document and even the impartial Red Cross makes no mention of any form of genocide. There's no order from Hitler nor is any type of "genocide" mentioned in any of the post war books written by Eisenhower, Churchill or de Gaulle. You have repeatedly referred to contradictory and self serving "eyewitness testimony" and tortured confessions as the only proof of an "industrialized genocide" but more ethical holocaust survivors dismiss the exaggerated stories told by their fellow survivors. Therefore, please note: "Dubious testimony" Quote: "Jewish historian Samuel Gringauz, who was himself interned in the ghetto of Kaunas (Lithuania) during the war, criticized what he called the "hyperhistorical" nature of most Jewish "survivor testimony." He wrote that "most of the memoirs and reports are full of preposterous verbosity, graphomanic exaggeration, dramatic effects, overestimated self-inflation, dilettante philosophizing, would-be lyricism, unchecked rumors, bias, partisan attacks and apologies." CONTINUED(3) Finally, there is nothing credible to indicate that there was ever any sort of "industrialized genocide" except vapid claims of the fraudulent Holocaust Industry,(4), (5) tortured confessions and unsupportable lies told by former inmates. I still don't understand why anyone would believe a Holocaust Industry - Lobby that is so dishonest that it cheats deserving survivors and governments from which they have succeeded in extorting $ Billions. Why do you still believe their unsupportable lies? (1) "9 Things About Cremation" https://www.elementalnw.com/2014/05/26/9-things-cremation/ EXCERPT "2. You don’t get ash back. What’s really returned to you is the person’s skeleton. Once you burn off all the water, soft tissue, organs, skin, hair, cremation container/casket, etc., what you’re left with is bone." When complete, the bones are allowed to cool to a temperature that they can be handled and are placed into a processing machine. It looks like a mean margarita blender, and they are processed down to the consistency of ash, where they get their misnomer name."CONTINUED (2) "A Factual Appraisal Of The 'Holocaust' By The Red Cross - The Jews And The Concentration Camps: No Evidence Of Genocide" http://www.polskawalczaca.com/viewtopic.php?f=36&t=18054 EXCERPT "In dealing with this comprehensive, three-volume Report, it is important to stress that the delegates of the International Red Cross found no evidence whatever at the camps in Axis occupied Europe of a deliberate policy to exterminate the Jews. In all its 1,600 pages the Report does not even mention such a thing as a gas chamber. It admits that Jews, like many other wartime nationalities, suffered rigours and privations, but its complete silence on the subject of planned extermination is ample refutation of the Six Million legend." CONTINUED (3) "The Nuremberg Trials and the Holocaust" https://www.ihr.org/jhr/v12/v12p167_Webera.html (4) "17 CHARGED IN $42 MILLION HOLOCAUST FRAUD CASE" http://www.nbcnews.com/id/40093058/...ed-million-holocaust-fraud-case/#.XU62pSMwi_U EXCERPT "Federal prosecutors said Tuesday they have broken up a long-running scam in which people falsely claimed to be victims of the Nazi persecution so they could get money out of a fund that pays Holocaust reparations."CONTINUED (5"HOLOCAUST CLAIMS CONFERENCE FRAUD LIKELY ‘MUCH HIGHER’ THAN $57 MILLION" http://www.jpost.com/Diaspora/Holoc...aud-likely-much-higher-than-57-million-408298 EXCERPT "For over a decade, a criminal ring within the organization embezzled tens of millions of dollars through false restitution claims.”CONTINUED
Why do you suppose that anyone telling the truth about the holocaust is persecuted in about 16 "free speech" democracies if it could be defended through open debate and honest examination? It's even a violation of International Law to persecute people for expressing their ideas and opinions yet the Holocaust Industry - Lobby is so wealthy and influential that it has managed to compel about 16 "democracies" around the world to incarcerate anyone telling the truth about the holocaust, the greatest conspiracy theory modern history has ever seen fabricated. The truth can stand on its own but only lies need government enforcement. "Universal Declaration of Human Rights" https://www.un.org/en/about-us/universal-declaration-of-human-rights Article 19 "Everyone has the right to freedom of opinion and expression; this right includes freedom to hold opinions without interference and to seek, receive and impart information and ideas through any media and regardless of frontiers."
Thank you for your kind words. I'm glad that you made it out of Germany in time to avoid the real holocaust, the plunder, mass torture and mass murder that took place in Germany after the war. It is widely suspected that more Germans were murdered after the war than were killed during the war(1) and after reading about everything from paintings to whole factories being plundered by the "liberators", it's a wonder that Germany was ever able to rebuild not only Germany but also provide virtually all of Israel's initial infrastructure(2). I'll look for you in the afterlife but until then, please keep writing your excellent comments. (1) "The Genocide of the German People" https://www.inconvenienthistory.com/11/1/6416 Mass Murder of the German People EXCERPT "The Allied postwar treatment of Germany probably resulted in more German deaths than occurred during the Second World War. While the exact number of casualties will never be known, the number of German military and civilian deaths during World War II is probably at most 6.5 million.[26] The total number of German postwar deaths from 1945 to 1950 almost certainly exceeds this figure." CONTINUED (2) “Inside the Germany/Israel Relationship” http://www.momentmag.com/inside-germ...-relationship/ EXCERPTS “Federal Republic of Germany laid the groundwork for Israel’s infrastructure—including roads, railways and shipping—while simultaneously rebuilding West German industry. In addition to money, Israel also needed weapons. As early as 1954, German reparation funds were secretly being used to buy patrol boats, tanks and arms. Germany itself supplied Israel with weapons through a variety of back channels. Many details remain untold, but a 2006 U.S. Congressional Research Service report concluded that German-supplied arms “played a considerable role” in building up Israeli military might in the wars of 1967, 1973 and 1982."CONTINUED
At first it was Czechoslovakia that supplied the Jews with weapons to fight the Arabs... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arms_shipments_from_Czechoslovakia_to_Israel_1947–1949 And Russia didn't hold back either... "Socialist guns for Zionists The U.S., which also supported the creation of Israel, officially banned weapon supplies to the Middle East. Unlike the Americans, however, Moscow sent arms to the Zionists, though unofficially and through other countries, such as Czechoslovakia. The USSR used German weapons captured at the end of the war." https://www.rbth.com/history/327040-ussr-and-israel-from-friends-to-foes Now they are the third or fourth strongest nuclear power on the earth!!
I believe what's most plausible. Even the craziest lie of a Holocaust believer is not as false as what HC deniers are trying to sell us for truth.
They all suffered greatly from Nazi occupation and Nazi terror. Therefore, they want to nip everything in the bud that is suitable for reviving National Socialism. And Holocaust denial is a very powerful auxiliary ideology able to bring Nazism back to life. That must be prevented under all circumstances. Therefore, freedom of speech regarding lies about the Nazi era is restricted.
Are you Christian? That doesn't suit a Nazi girl. Nazis usually believe that Germanic warriors like you are sitting at the round table in Valhalla with Odin, Hitler, and Goring, eating roast pork and drinking mead, LOL. Let me tell you my personal opinion: you two will burn, as Holocaust deniers, in a particularly hot place in hell.
