China Has Published It's Invasion Plan To Take Taiwan

Taiwan need to blow the city up so there is nothing of value for China to reap after the siege.

 

I once read that China could build a city the size of Rome in two weeks, so it's not the city they want. It's just that they want to take back all the lands and people that were once part of the Chinese world from Western influence and impositions.

Our fears and attitude towards them, is rekindling the racism they suffered in the past, so we should expect the worse unless we start modifying it.

 

Why should he? Fascists like Trump reject democracy.

What do you mean by that? The American people voted out Trump. That's a big win for democracy.

 

The US also sends a ton of coal to China.

 

Just as we soundly whipped the NVA which the US did. What the US lost was the support of a war we never should have fought. And I'm sure most Americans will feel the same way about Taiwan. It's a small island off the coast of China that most of us never hear much about. If and when it does become national news most Americans will probably say WTF are we doing there? Americans are tired of Vietnam, Iraq, Syria, Afghanistan, Libya and so forth and sending our military to fight a war that isn't ours to fight.

 

Taiwan is actually a Big Deal. It's a strategic America and SE Asia ally.
Controlling Taiwan means China controls Japan strategically as well.
And what about South Korea? It's not important either I suppose.

Been reading about Peal Harbor 1941. Surprised to learn that America
in 1941 was 14th in military strength - lower than Portugal. It was this
lack of military preparedness that left America a tempting target to Japan.
The Japanese rationale was that it could seize SA Asia before America
could re-arm.
But not this time. There's some good strategic studies on this - China
cannot beat America for a number of military, political and economic
reasons. Interesting.

If by NVA you mean Hanoi's 'liberation' army then yes, America did
not beat the NVA, but the NVA did not beat America either - what beat
America was the so-called 'peace movement' led by Marxist radical
students. The Tet offensive was the end of the Viet Cong - the South
Vietnamese did not rise up against America, by 1967 most South Viet
understood the nature of North Vietnam. And America was not fighting
NVA so much as it was fighting Red China and the USSR.

 

Hang on, hang on. The West is 'arrogant' but the Chinese are a 'proud people.'
And Chinese 'wolf warriors' are not arrogant, and Chinese territory issues with
TWENTY countries is not 'impositions' or 'arrogance.'
And it is WE who are 'hardening' the Chinese, not the presiding militant faction
in the Communist Party. And it's OUR 'propaganda' and not the Great Chinese
Firewall of censorship that is controlling the dialogue within China?
You been reading 'The Thoughts of Xi' ???

 

Interesting article in today's Australia
"The editor of Beijing’s Global Times – which belongs to the Chinese Communist Party’s People’s
Daily – has threatened Australia with “retaliatory punishment”, with missile strikes “on the military
facilities and relevant key facilities on Australian soil”, if we send Australian Defence Force troops to
assist the US and participate in war with the People’s Liberation Army over Taiwan.

The specific threat made by editor Hu Xijin on May 7 is: “China has a strong production capability,
including producing additional long-range missiles with conventional warheads that target military
objectives in Australia when the situation becomes highly tense.” It is remarkable that such a
blatant threat has received so little attention by the Australian media..
The Soviet leaders knew that blinding Washington in the early stages of a
nuclear exchange would be a foolish act, not helping the continuing existence
of any post-nuclear Soviet Union.

The problem with Beijing is that it does not seem to see any benefit in detailed
discussions about high-level nuclear arms negotiation with any other country. It
does not understand the value of detailed discussions about nuclear war fighting.
This is a dangerous gap in Chinese understanding about war –
especially as its strategic nuclear warheads, which number “in the low 200s”
according to the Pentagon, are barely credible as a second-strike capability.

 

What I said was the US did defeat the NVA. And because there were many Americans who opposed the war in Vietnam they were communist? Many of our soldiers opposed the war. And NO we were not fighting China or Russia. They did provide weapons but not much in the way of military troops. Vietnam was a disgrace. Ho Chi Minh loved America. He helped rescue our downed pilots during WW2. There could have been a peaceful transfer of power when the French left. The US turned Vietnam into a blood bath which continued after we left. I don't need your lesson on Vietnam. And I don't need your lesson on how strategic Taiwan is. China has not forgotten WW2 and how the Japanese invaded their country. They're building military bases in the China Sea. It would be a huge mistake if we defended Taiwan. So long as we leave NK alone they will not be a threat. But if we go to war with China we can also expect NK to attack SK.

 

And just how many nukes does it take to have a first strike-strike capability? And I love the "according to the Pentagon." They have no clue what NK capabilities are and they actually think they know China's?

 

That's what happens when a country gets way to powerful in such a shot amount of time. We've been on the scene for a mere 245 years yet we're telling everyone how to run their country. There is a reason why we are called Ugly Americans.

 

We aren't telling China how to run its country, but 'we' (I am Australian) take offense
as the Hong Kong and Uighur concentration camp. Other than that - who cares what
Chinese do.

 

Many 'peace' radicals were Marxist, if not outright Jane Fonda style pro-Hanoi types.
I watched people chanting, "Ho Ho Ho Chi Minh" in the streets personally. Quite an
offense to me. 'Red China', at that time, was Mao's China of the Cultural Revolution,
the war against personal freedom, Capitalism, the past, history and culture. Something
like we are seeing today in the West. Only in China tens of millions perished. And still
in Australia many academics think highly of Mao, this sexual deviant who destroyed
millions.
But anyone who actively opposed the 'war in Vietnam' actively supported North Viet,
China and the Soviet Union.
Viet war was a proxy for US vs China/USSR. Like the proxy war between Iran and US
today. America should have gone straight for the strategic supplies reaching North Viet.

It's super obvious now that Xi is another Stalin/Hitler type. Today Australia is threatened
militarily. China gave us 14 demands.

 

Like I said, I don't care either way if they do or don't. Taiwan isn't even recognized by the US as an independent country so...

 

The "Sleeping Giant" has awoken !

 

What America should have done is stay out of that shithole, along with every place it has been in the Middle East, and Korea too.

Why in the hell would America send thousands of young men to their deaths because America didn't agree with a foreign people's system of government?

And then just a few years after Vietnam...fighting communism....America supports bringing COMMIE CHINA into the WTO with preferential treatment that lead to multiple decades of them ripping us off in trade and the result is that American taxpayers not only funded the rise of Communism, but built China into the world power it is today.

Meanwhile the Soviet Union collapsed on its on...since socialism always dies (without foreign subsidies like China gets with trade) and yet America won't trade with a Christian, Capitalistic Russia.

It's ****ing lunacy.

I say let Australia handle all that garbage....it is after all in your back yard.

 

Prior to the invasion of Normandy allied journalists were learning more about the plans for the invasion. Gen. Eisenhower gathered them together, and told them every detail of how the Allies would invade Normandy, and when they would invade. Then he told them, "Gentlemen, what I have told you is classified information. If any of this information gets into your newspaper, you will be hanged for treason." That stopped the reports.

 

So here we have a China taking over Taiwan thread. Trump got brought into it by post 7. And has occupied space in the leftists heads ever since.
Orangeman

 

I have never heard this story before, but without a doubt, nobody inside China can survive leaking its invasion plan.

 

That's news to me and doesn't make any sense why he would risk it all. As a matter of fact, they placed fake plans on a body which they dumped in France for Germans to find and mislead them.

 

Wonder if the big brains at the Waste-a-gon would enlighten us just how many of their ludicrously lowball guesstimate of Chinese strategic missiles making it HERE would constitute a "credible second strike", or first strike for that matter?

 

The fake plans were for the earlier invasion of Italy at Salerno.

 

The Korean War was worth it. By every criterion South Korea is a better country than North Korea. by the same criteria Taiwan is a better country than Communist China: it has a democratic government; it has a higher standard of living. The mistake in Korea was to try to conquer all of North Korea. After the Inchon landing we should have conquered the southern half of North Korea. What remained of North Korea would have been too small to threaten South Korea again, but it would have served as a buffer between the U.S. military and Communist China.

 

Ho Chi Minh loved America and was not a die hard Communist. He just wanted Independence for his country. How would Australians feel if China invaded and forced their ways on you? Maybe if you see things through the eyes of others you might see things differently. Ho Chi Minh's Vietnam was far different from the Vietnam that finally through the US out. As the war continued the North Vietnamese leaders became more ruthless and more die hard communist. And that's how the US left it. Just because someone believes a war is wrong does not make them sympathizers to the enemy. Not speaking out when you know something is wrong makes someone an accessory to an atrocity. If no one spoke out against Vietnam the atrocities would have continued because no president from Johnson on didn't have the guts to believing America would look weak. And that thinking still prevails today amongst our leaders. We can get into wars but we don't know how to leave.

 

Militarily the US did defeat North Vietnam. That is not in question. The war was dragged out so long Americans became disgusted with it.