Judge blocks Florida’s social media censorship law after Big Tech sues

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  1. Blinda Vaganto

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    https://nypost.com/2021/07/01/floridas-social-media-censorship-law-blocked-after-big-tech-sues/

    Very controversial topic indeed. People ban people on the internet left and right, up and down, backwards and forwards. All the time! Nonstop! Sometimes I agree with a ban, sometimes I think moderators are playing nazis. How do you regulate this mess?

    Should the government be involved at all?

    One thing I do know is that 'Shadow banning' is the most disgusting thing I've ever heard about! If you want to ban a person, just find the courage to do so! Be a man, damn it!

    Blocking viewers from accessing a blog without the author even knowing it... I don't know... Just ugly... Such a dishonest thing to do..
     
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    Judge blocks Florida’s social media censorship law after Big Tech sues

    As expected. DeSantis made his point.
     
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    Wasn't this posted somewhere already? The article is familiar. I just think DeSantis doesn't want to get Orange Jesus mad at him. He knew this couldn't fly.
     
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    Filling the pockets of Lawyers is not the solution - but you are 100% correct that there is a serious problem. These companies currently have a monopoly on speech and this can not be allowed. We must either regulate them like monopolies - or break them up - ensuring fair and free competition.
     
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    Oh, this should be fun. Some guy here thinks the ban the mods put on him for calling for Biden's assassination with secret diagrams of the WH included is unfair and it's a grand a day until the Secret Service shuts him down?

    This is what happens when one party thinks it's alright to run certifiable loonies for High Office
     
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    HOW do they have a monopoly? WHO is enforcing it? WHAT is preventing YOU from coming up with your own Web Page (and that is ALL Facebook or Twitter is, a Web Page with JJUUGGE bandwidth) and competing with them? Sure, you won't be nearly as big as they are AT FIRST. but they both started no bigger than you.

    You say there are all these conservatives who "Big Media" is censoring and this audience of millions of conservatives just pining for someone who agrees with them. I have your fortune right here if you want it. You too can dress like an 18-year-old because with 100 billion nobody CARES if you make a good impression (or ANY impression for that matter)

    One thing to remember though. If you run one of those services your CUSTOMER isn't the people who USE the service but the ADVERTISERS who buy space on it. And these advertisers are strange, they would MUCH rather sell their product than support your ongoing campaigns against vaxxing for smallpox and having us belatedly surrender to the Nazis in WWII. But you be you.
     
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    Thought we had this conversation - and you seem to have no concept of what an Oligopoly is .. so figure that out first.

    "Who is enforcing it" - What a nonsense question - enforcing what ?
    "What is preventing other web pages" - What prevented other oil companies from competing against Std Oil ? - you have no clue what you are talking aobut.

    I didn't say "Big Media" was censoring any conservatives - so why are you making things up -and attributing to me.

    Go figure out what you are talking about -
     
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    I tend to side with policies on your own servers being protected speech. I understand this has undesirable consequences.
     
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    I don't know anything about this guy, but I know about Kathy Griffin who posted on Twitter a realistic picture of her holding a severed Trump's head in her hand. Her post is still online. Just as many others promoting violence against conservatives. But Trump himself got banned for calling his supporters for a peaceful protest against what in his view was election fraud. And not just him. Tens of thousands of his supporters gut purged. Tell me what you want but I think this stuff is spooky.

    Liberals prosecuted Cambridge Analytica out of business for helping Trump create targeted ads on Facebook arguing it was a gross manipulation of public opinion. My dear Lord, what a passion they have demonstrated striving to preserve democracy! But for some reason when big tech does the same exact thing only tenfold against conservatives all day every day it's all fine and nothing to worry about. They manipulate search results, tweak trending sections, use double standards for banning and shadow banning people.

    Shadow banning is the worst. 100% it should not be legal. It's just a scam. Give it a thought, you put time and energy into the creation of a content but nobody can see it and you don't even know anything about it. What the hell!
     
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    Absolutely! I don't know what is to be done but the status quo is annoying as hell. Not long ago I watched 'The great hack' documentary on Netflix. Can you imagine all this fire and passion they expressed against big tech meddling into democratic processes! Damn!
     
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    Then Cambridge Analytica should not have been prosecuted.
     
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    In the current events section. Missed it somehow. Sorry.

    Speaking of which can anybody be so kind and explain to me what is the difference between 'Latest news' and 'Current events' sections? I would say it's a little bit confusing and I'm confident I'm not the first one to make this mistake.
     
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    No apologies needed on this side. I was just not sure if my brain fog had kicked in again. LOL

    I don't know the distinction between those two sub-forums. However, a mod once told me that "current events" is the busiest one of them all. I don't read messages that way. I just click on "new posts" and they come up in reverse chronological order from all the sections.
     
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    I liked DeSantis when he was first elected and even now I think he could be a good governor or even a president one day, but this kind of hackery turns me off, and unfortunately he keeps it coming. These kinds of things are designed to appease only one specific group of people. I guess he calculates that getting that group behind him is enough for reelection or even a run for the WH. He could be right (time will tell), but this approach can only mean more division, or status quo at best.

    What? Private companies can't be allowed to run their own businesses without the government micromanagement? That's commie talk.

    There is plenty of competition, and no limits for people to start new platforms.
     
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    Kathy Griffin was tasteless and frightening but people must have found her funny and agreed with her or they would have protested to Facebook and their advertisers and if Facebook thought they might have lost money they would have taken her off

    Face facts. People HATE conservatives, and if the Media shows a conservative bias they will vote against these media by not listening. Bashing conservatives makes good business sense, it's why Zuckerberg is worth a hundred billion and I don't even know who the owner of Parler is let alone his net worth
     
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    No, it was not "liberals", it was the United Kingdom, and nor did it have anything to do with public opinion, but stealing and using personal data of Facebook users.
     
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    You need to talk to a qualified specialist. Not to me.
     
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    How do you think social media platforms earn their billions? By selling you customized ads. The case of Cambridge Analytica is different only in the fact that it helped Trump.
     
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    Well, here's the thing. The "target" audience wasn't enough to get Orange Jesus re-elected so hopping that same train will produce the same #2 result, no? And, the nonsense that happened since Election Day (until infinity apparently) probably diminishes the likelihood of choosing him again so why would those defectors pick his new BFF?
    I don't get the impression he wants Communism. He was shooting for a Trump Dynasty style dictatorship.
    That's always been his battle cry "New and Improved" (health plan, tax plan, immigration plan, all coming soon). It will just be a bit harder to sell the second time around since Round 1 produced nothing but maybe enough people will have Stockholm Syndrome and ignore those pesky details.
     
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    Maybe you should read up a little about the Cambridge Analytica data scandal. To some people everything is always about poor Trump (the perpetual victim), but it was a matter of CA harvesting personal information of over 80 million users around the world, and countries like Brazil, India, and most importantly UK took action to put an end to it.
     
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    Trump was nuts and totally out of his depth, so many voters decided it was unacceptable to give him 2nd term. Personally I always thought he was going to be a one termer. DeSantis, in the other hand, is actually qualified. He is smart, well spoken and serious. Its unfortunate he courts only one group of people as opposed to running as a representative of all. Maybe he'll change when he guns for the WH.

    Yes, dictatorship is more accurate.
     
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    Some see Trump connection when it doesn't exist, others don't see it even when it does.

    You said it earlier and I replied to you that it's exactly how all social media earn their revenues. They harvest your data and present you with customized ads based on your data. The only difference was that CA was selling Trump and not toothpaste or Bahamas vacation.
     
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    Well, you can categorize yourself based on the fact that you brought him up as the victim.
     
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    Going back to fill in the blanks, it sounded like he was "nuts and totally out of his depth" from Day 1 and people that knew him, knew that he was a liar and cheater that didn't pay his bills. If I cared about politics back then, none of that would have appealed to me. I would have also been hesitant because I've, personally, worked in private companies and for the government and they aren't managed the same way. His 0 hours of experience in government and/or politics would have been a sticking point. I wasn't in love with Hillary either but she had a track record of experience and established internal relationships.
    I wonder how many others felt that exact same way.

    I wonder if he even felt that way about himself so he had to prime the pump on election fraud to bow out gracefully (well, he's not graceful in anything, but it would be less of a blow if he could blame some boogeyman for the loss).
    Why do you think he would risk alienating the other half if he's eyeing the WH? Or, is it too early in the game to decide that?
    I was reading the other day that Ivanka lied under oath about her role in misuse of inaugural funds. I guess all of them are allergic to telling the truth.

    Ivanka Trump Busted Lying Under Oath About Misuse Of Inaugural Funds
    https://www.politicususa.com/2021/06/28/ivanka-trump-perjury.html

    Remember those anti-drug commercials showing an egg frying? The voiceover would say "This is your brain on drugs. Don't do drugs."

    They'll make a replica of that and show Trump with his tail between his legs and the voiceover will say "This is what happens when your kid doesn't hear the word 'no' until he's in his 70s. Parents teach your kids they won't always get their way (preferably before they're out of diapers and definitely before they are back in them." ;-)
     
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    I'm not holding my breath waiting for you to answer how CA targeted ads are different from Google getting sucking your personal data from your computer's microphone.
     

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