“The Message of Trump’s Embrace of Ashli Babbitt Martyrdom”

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    "Last Thursday, Donald Trump announced a new theme, with all his customary blunt-force subtlety. “Who shot Ashli Babbitt?"

    "Two days later, at his rally in Florida, he said more. “Who shot Ashli Babbitt? We all saw the hand. We saw the gun. It’s a terrible thing, right? Shot. Boom. And it’s a terrible thing.”

    "And then, speaking Wednesday, Trump returned to the subject again. Asked about the insurrection, he changed the subject to the terrible people on the other side who were not being charged, and brought up Babbitt once again: “The person that shot Ashli Babbitt. Boom. Right through the head. Just, boom. There was no reason for that."

    "Babbitt’s death, while tragic, occurred for a very good reason. The Air Force veteran had joined the aggressive vanguard of the January 6 insurrection. Babbitt died trying to squeeze through the smashed window of a barricaded door that led to the inner sanctum where members of Congress were hiding from the mob. She was leading the mob violently forward toward its goal of threatening or killing officials who refused to cooperate with their objective of overturning the election result."

    "The Trump right has dismissed the insurrection as overblown, a protest march gone bad, perhaps ill-considered but never posing any serious threat to the republic. The far right’s highlighting of Babbitt’s death sends a different message: The insurrection was good. Babbitt’s effort to penetrate the defensive barrier was brave, and the stopping of her charge a crime. Martyrs are the most potent symbols for a radical movement."

    "Trump is endorsing the most radical interpretation of his presidency. January 6 was not a minor misstep after a successful era. It was the heroic culmination of a righteous uprising."

    https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2021...tion-riot.html

    It appears that Ashli Babbitt as martyr is a key part of Trump's new script to defend himself by reframing the events of January 6th from a violent attack on the very seat of Government to a heroic patriotic effort to correct an injustice. Providing his followers with their own “Liberty Leading the People” over the barricades

    And his remarks since then have reconfirmed the strategy:

    Trump on Jan. 6 insurrection: 'These were great people”
    “The former president described the participants as loving and patriotic”
    https://www.politico.com/news/2021/07/11/trump-jan-6-insurrection-these-were-great-people-499165

    Will the right be taken up again with one of Trump’s fabrications? Given he will have the full support of a major news network, will the narrative sell? And more Importantly, sell outside of the Fox bubble?
     
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    Seth Bullock Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I don’t agree with Trump trying to turn Ashli into a martyr.

    I also don’t think killing her was justified.
     
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    Ashli Babbitt was murdered in her bed while asleep. Or was it with her hands up begging for her life?

    Say her name!
     
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    Ashli wasn’t murdered anywhere, she was fatally shot “trying to squeeze through the smashed window of a barricaded door that led to the inner sanctum where members of Congress were hiding from the mob. She was leading the mob violently forward toward its goal of threatening or killing officials who refused to cooperate with their objective of overturning the election result."
     
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    How about the government letting us know what happened and who shot her? His reasoning for shooting her? Why the cover up? People have a right to know.

    We all know about Derick Chauvin and Jason Van Dyke. We have made martyrs of those who assault police and shoot at police. Why is this officer name not even known?
     
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    Trump's behavior isn't surprising.

    A narcissist like him will always endorse those who worship him even if they are radicals who threaten democracy.

    He has pardoned many criminals in return for unquestioning loyalty.
     
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    Then you also wouldn’t think she wasn’t “trying to squeeze through the smashed window of a barricaded door that led to the inner sanctum where members of Congress were hiding from the mob. That she was leading the mob violently forward toward its goal of threatening or killing officials who refused to cooperate with their objective of overturning the election result."
     
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    Seriously?? You can't take a wild guess??

    RIP honey, but there's no mystery, cover up, or questions I need answered (about that particular episode on 1/6 anyway)...

    I'd like to know WHY she was there, with whom, and what her ultimate goal was.... But I doubt we'll know that either...
     
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    Pretty obvious from the events of the day, the violence directed at the police defending the Capitol, and threats against umpteen individuals associated with the election, that releasing the name of a police officer who had been cleared upon investigation to the general public would have put that officer and his family in serious danger.

    The two officers mentioned were recorded, everyone already knew who they were
     
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    And all they would be is guesses while the police officer and his family would have been put in serious danger
     
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    Double standard by the authorities and the media when this happens on the Right side of the spectrum. Which is why so many Americans have no confidence in the establishment and institutions.
     
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    Conservatives certainly weren’t defending police that day, in fact, just the opposite
     
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    Had Trump tweeted a message to his followers immediately following the break-in telling them to leave the Capitol Building, it is likely she would have never been shot. Look at the events in the timeline. He didn't ask them to leave the Capitol until his video of 4:17 PM.

    The break-in occurred at 2:12 PM.

    At 2:13 PM, the Senate was evacuated, followed by the House at 2:20 PM. At 2:24 PM, Trump tweeted: "Mike Pence did have the courage to do what should have been done to protect our country and our Constitution, giving the States a chance to certify a corrected set of facts, not the fraudulent or inaccurate ones which they were asked to previously certify. USA demands the truth." Hardly calming words.

    At 2:38 PM, in response to growing Capitol violence, he tweets: "Please support our Capitol Police and Law Enforcement. They are truly on the side of our Country. Stay peaceful." But, there is no mention of leaving the Capitol.

    At 3:07 PM, Babbitt is shot.

    At 3:13 PM, Trump tweets: "I am asking everyone at the Capitol to remain peaceful. No violence! Remember, WE are the Party of Law & Order - respect the law and our great men and women in Blue. Thank you." Still no demand to leave the Building.

    It isn't until the 4:17 PM video that Trump asks the rioters to "go home."

    And, had he personally led the march on the Capitol as he said he would do in his speech, it's doubtful there would have been a break-in at all. Who told him NOT to lead the march and for what reason?
     
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    I didn’t say that.

    She was an unarmed woman, and lethal force should only be used on a specific person who is actively and objectively attempting to murder or carry out a life threatening assault at the moment they are shot. Shooting by law enforcement is a last resort reserved for circumstances fitting that description.
     
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    If that timeline is correct, then the Capitol officer who shot Ashli Babbitt was NOT protecting House members. An open investigation would reveal whether or not there were still House members in the room or if they had already been evacuated.
     
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    I think they were...some took to hiding in the galleries. But, you're right, that should come out in the Committee hearings.
     
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    Meadows told him and the SS that they weren't going to Capitol, which is about the only logical thing that came out of the WH that day.... it's highly doubtful his physical presence would have changed much, if anything....

    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news...p-michael-wolff-book-landslide-capitol-attack

    "I didn't mean it literally" - LMAO
     
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    Now democrats worry about police. Fascinating.
     
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    Now if Dirty Donnie had asked "Who killed Ashley"........ the answer would have been , "You did , Dirty Donnie !"
     
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    There is no double standard here, Trump is attempting to rescript the events of January 6th to make it appear as a justified event, a patriotic effort
     
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    Your not serious here right ?

    She was shot while trying to breach the US capital, during a riot sparked by those who wanted to hang the Vice President. What more do you need ?

    Should we just have allowed everyone in to kill those members of congress they didnt like ?
     
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    And you're worried about the rioters..........Rioters.....Fascinating....
     
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    Why didn't the police in riot gear standing right behind her shoot?

    Say her name! A victim of racism!
     
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    Did you think anything Tucker says is relevant? On anything? Especially, here, although it was comical , appears he is trying to save face from a person who embarrassed him the night before, must be he got word back the guy made him look little.

    In addition, totally irrelevant to the thread
     
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    <Rule 2/3> I replaced it with the right one. Yes Tucker says many relevant things. He is one of the few people left fighting against an oligarchy. <Rule 2/3>
     
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