How Many Americans Were Saved by the Shutdowns & Social Distancing?

It just seems so unreal. It pains me greatly to know people are dying without being able to be with their loved ones or suffering alone in nursing homes, etc..

None of us will be alive to see another pandemic. I hope we can do better so our descendants don't even have to face one from Ground Zero.

 

We hope. Because our enemies have no doubt taken notice to how poorly we've handled COVID. They witnessed our healthcare system crippled, our supply chains nearly fail entirely, the low effort by our population to do what was necessary, and our military might rendered useless. Sometime tells me chemical and biological threats will be at the forefront of our defense in the decades to come.

 

Lockdowns caused more problems than they prevented. Face it, your previous government screwed this all up from the start. Especially the blue states

 

I fully agree with you. Our enemies and frenemies know EXACTLY where our weak spots are and are more than willing to exploit them. While we're standing around doing nothing, they are working day and night to overtake us. It's obvious and what do we get...a whole bunch of silliness about partisanship and who hates who more. There are more things to be prioritized.

At the end of the day, we ("the collective") need to stop living on the hope that we have the best military in the world and nothing will happen. We are making enemies every day at this rate. It's very myopic to think that's not going to bite us in the posterior sooner rather than later.

 

I agree with you that any country including the US is naive to believe its competitors do not seek ways to take advantage of it in business and of course vice versa. I also think Russia and China at this point present potential physical dangers to the US as does terrorism. I also think though that with all 3 countries and every damn country in Europe and Canada my country, all are dependent as their number once source of economic revenue activities that flow from the military industrial complex and so all of the first world and China and Russia are dependent on wars and conflicts to justify their military industrial complexes to keep their economies running.

I think we all ignored the warnings of Dwight Eisenhower when he left office and said in his departing speech the world needed to dettach its economic activities from its military industrial complex. Who better to warn us than the Allied Command Chief and no one listened.

I think we are all caught up in a spiral of hegemony as a result so I agree with you but I wish I did not have to.

 

I would guess a net of 0.

 

So you admit this was a planned bio attack by the nation of China?

 

You and me both, buddy. You and me both. <sigh>

 

I need you to explain the trajectory between my post (the one you quoted) and your question.

 

China exploited out weak points.

Now let's keep buying $800B worth their stuff every year. Call anybody who is critical of them a racist.

 

That's what happens in a house divided.

There is a difference between CCP and its citizens in as much there is a difference between our leadership and those of us who are civilians.

It is ABSOLUTELY racist to hate, wish harm or blame Asian people for what their leadership is allowing (or planned) to happen. We generally don't go around attacking white Americans when a white American commits a heinous crime. Why should the average citizen (of any region) be the scapegoat for what their leadership did?

Americans have extremely short attention spans. We don't care about the supply chain (who, what, where that comes from) and only look at the cost to them to purchase what they want. There is no possible way to stop that train from leaving the depot. All we can do at this point is block the path of ingress (through whatever laws exist) and re-open manufacturing so we can not only create jobs, but take back control of our products as an investment for long-term benefit to our country and its people.

Warning: It's going to be a hard sell.

 

How many were saved by shutdowns, masks, and social distancing - absolute zero, the thing spread and got there regardless.

How many died because of Covid policy....

Many many many more than you realize.....

You simply do not understand the full extent of the "policy."

 

was that a stupid estilate?

 

That's right. I had an aortic aneurysm surgery delayed during that period. The chances of my dying from it during the delay were remote so I think the hospital managed things relatively well. The covid patients were in greater danger than I was.

 

What’s an estilate?

 

Hospitals were not crippled and the supply chain was affected by the shutdowns.

Silly people think government can stop a virus.

 

How Many Americans Were Saved by the Shutdowns & Social Distancing?

According to the numbers, the shutdowns increased infections. If I recall correctly a huge majority of infections occurred in the home, not at work. Social distancing is probably the only recommendation from government that was effective. If the virus can't reach you, it can't infect you. Nobody knows how many people it saved.

 

We had to store corpses in refrigerator trucks. Tell me more about how hospitals were no crippled.

 

The Trump administration estimated 2 million would have died without future social distancing measures, but that was months into the pandemic when these measures were already in place. I'd estimate that between 1.5 million and 2 million lives were saved.

 

Certain hospitals like in Cuomo’s NY. Most were underwhelmed.