Fauci busted lying to Congress..... watch him squirm.

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  1. 21Bronco

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    Fauci denies financing "gain of function" research that some argued are responsible for the spike protein that enables COVID to be more easily transmissible from bats to humans.

    When challenged, Fauci lies again, claiming what was funded wasn't really "gain of function" research. His own definition of "gain of function" is read back to him and hilarity ensues.

    Video in the article.
    https://dailycaller.com/2021/07/20/rand-paul-clashes-fauci-tense-capitol-hill-hearing/

    This bastard is part of the cause of vaccine hesitancy.
     
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    Fauci is a liar.

    RAND PAUL ACCUSES LIAR FAUCI OF LYING TO CONGRESS ABOUT GAIN-OF-FUNCTION RESEARCH FUNDING.

    Global pandemic brought to you by this evil lying clown Fauci, and the Chinese Communists.
    Gain of function is the term of art for taking a disease that offers no risk to humans and turning into a deadly virus that has never previously existed in nature.
    Only two people were permitted by the congressional ban to outsource this dangerous research, and Fauci is one of the two.
    Lying Fauci affirmed his denial
    He's killed more people than Andrew Cuomo.
     
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    Burzmali Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    This obsession with one man seems unhealthy.
     
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    Looked to me like Dr. Fauci did a good job putting Rand Paul down.
     
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    As deaths march relentlessly toward 5,000,000 Fauci lies his ass off about his role in constructing COVID 19.

    Frazzled Fauci Erupts After Latest Rand Paul Grilling
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    WIV = Wuhan Institute of Virology
    Fauci seems to think he can lie his way out of this.
     
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    But he did not lie for Donny!!!!!!!!!!

    That is what all this Fauci hate is about.,
     
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    That was some pretty pointed questions by an actual MD in Rand Paul an Ophthalmologist (surgeon) & Senator - I think that he understands the rudiments of scientific maleficent intent in 'gain of function' research....
     
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    this is more fake news from republican media
    he did not lie... the Trump admin did not lie, Trump only picks the best
     
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    There is no doubt that Trump alone created the Virus messed up response

    That spread to the regimes around the world

    Boris Johnson was one of the few who saw the error and Later began to aggressively fight the Virus
     
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    Incorrect. The hesitancy is ignorance.
     
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    Fauci lying to Congress would be like jaywalking in front of Ted Bundy.
     
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    Okay, this is the paper in question:

    https://journals.plos.org/plospathogens/article?id=10.1371/journal.ppat.1006698

    I recommend you read it before you condemn Fauci.

    A couple of key points:
    1) This was work done on SARS-Cov from the original SARS outbreak, not on SARS-Cov2, the virus causing covid.
    2) Variants of bat SARS-Cov viruses were generated and tested for infectivity of human cell lines.
    3) Some of those variants were more infectious than the original bat viruses
    4) The last point is interpreted by the Fauci haters as gain of function research.

    Why is it not gain of function research? The key word here is the term "rescue". What the researchers did was to rescue infectivity of human cells by inserting parts of SARS-Cov viruses into the bat viruses, making the generation of SARS-Cov by natural recombination events the likely hypothesis.

    What they did NOT do was to attempt to make the human SARS-Cov more infective. This would have been gain of function research, but that was not done.

    As to Paul, he is just dog whistling to the Fox News crowd, who have Fauci as their favorite boogey man. As he probably predicted, they happily lap up his disinformation.

    BTW: This work was all done while Paul was in office and everything was publically available and published. I wonder why Paul didn't raise the issue and put a stop to it before this year? You know why? Because before it was politicized, gain of function research was something that nobody knew or cared about, not even Paul. Now he is looking for a scapegoat to score political points.
     
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    You miss a point. Funding was supposed to be halted for gain of function research. Fauci denied the governments own definition of gain of function.
     
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    Not entirely. Risk weighing is a reason as well, especially for children.
     
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    What risk are you concerned about for yourself?
     
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    That seems to be semantics. They were experimenting with gain of function. Isolating the spike protein and then substituting it into the genome of other variants seems to fit the definition of "gain of function" really well.

    From the paper....
    The original fragments E and F were shortened to leave spike gene as an independent fragment. The new fragments were designated as Es and Fs. BsaI or BsmBI sites were introduced into the junctions of Es/Spike and Spike/Fs. Then any spike could be substituted into the genome of SARSr-CoV WIV1 through this strategy.
     
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    One man seeing himself as the ultimate authority with the attitude of an elitist is unhealthy.
     
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    I agree Sen. Paul should proovide proof and not expect everyone to take his word.

    Why do conservative attack anyone who doesn't agree with their political philosophy? Until some concrete proof is provided I would believe Fauci over Sen. Paul.

    Words used by Paul such as "seem to" and "may" don't project certainty.
     
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    None. I took the JnJ vaccine.
     
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    The proof was the paper.
     
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    It's not semantics. They attempted to rescue the activity of human SARS-Cov by those manipulations from bat ancestors, in an effort to determine the origins of SARS-Cov. They did NOT attempt to make human SARS-Cov more active. The intent is very important in this context, although probably not to those whose sole intent is to smear Fauci.
     
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    Like I said. Playing semantics.
     
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    I’m not the one playing semantics. See the quote I posted from the paper. Thanks.
     

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