The heat wave in western USA and Canada, Global Warming or negation of Global Dimming Effect?

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Is the heat wave of the summer of 2021 the negation of The Global Dimming Effect?

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  1. DennisTate

    DennisTate Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    You are not quite catching on to how huge all of this really could turn out to be.

    BILLIONS..... ACTUALLY TRILLIONS OF USA PETRO - DOLLARS ARE AT STAKE.......
    possibly even QUADRILLIONS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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    OR ARE YOU DELIBERATELY ACTING AS IF YOU DID NOT UNDERSTAND THIS......... PERHAPS because you went into something of an intellectual SHORT CIRCUIT??!!
     
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    I for one have suspected that you could be an employee of George Soros or some other extremely wealthy
    but very left wing investor who has hired you to cast doubt on various proposals????

    That is actually significantly a compliment..... George Soros and people like him tend to hire very intelligent people to go online into discussion forums for them!

    But I admit though that my theory on this is highly controversial......
    and I could be wrong......
    and if I am wrong......
    my idea could endanger millions or even billions of lives!!!!!!

    In alternate time line Mr. Gore wins the 2000 election but negates Global Dimming....


    and......


    Did President G. W. Bush and P. M. Harper deliberately use Global Dimming to..











     
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    Polluting our environment and continuing the increase in Earth's temperature CAN NOT be justified by moaning about the profits of the petroleum industry.

    This argument that someone somewhere wants to shut down the economy is a CRYSTAL CLEAR indication that petroleum industry advocates have GIVEN UP ON THE TRUTH.

    Nobody is interested in doing that.

    And, the numbers you quote are ludicrous. The total US petroleum industry revenue of 2018 was less than $200B.


    >>>Please remember: 2/3 of US petroleum use goes to transportation. Yet, today it is CHEAPER and FAR less polluting in our major cities to own and drive electric vehicles. Any significant move from petroleum to electricity for transportation would be a huge win in terms of cost of transportation and city pollution, let alone helping slow Earth's warming.

    Why should we pay more for petroleum when it damages our environment, exacerbates climate change AND is more expensive???
     
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    So, you think I'm bought and paid for AND YOU THINK THAT IS A COMPLIMENT???

    How about sticking to the issues?
     
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    DennisTate Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Yes... I do think it is a compliment.....
    because George Soros does not hire stupid people.........
     
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    Clean energy industries are employing more Americans than is oil.

    Plus, the majority of oil (nearly 70%) is used for transportation. And, we have non-oil solutions for that.

    So yes, there are people getting filthy rich from oil. But, I don't see that as a justification for speeding up the rate of Earth's warming.
     
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    That comment is a reflection on YOU, not me.
     
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    If we build hundreds of new mega-scale sea water desalination plants and turn deserts green the amount of heat being put into the atmosphere from the world's deserts could be decreased... which would be like turning down the world's furnace... which could lead toward stabilization of the climate.

    For the moment.... fuelling these mega-scale desalination plants with natural gas seems to be the most effective option available in 2021.

    https://www.ide-tech.com/en/

    The Carl Cantrell theory on stabilization of the world's climate has massive advantages over the carbon tax proposal put forward by Mr. Al Gore. For one thing....... Carl's theory is less divisive and people on both the political right as well as the left can agree to this win - win - win - win idea.

     
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    If you seriously think the right wing in the US would be interested in jacking taxes to build gas fired desalinization plants and pumping stations across Africa in order to save the world, I really do NOT know what to say to you. In fact, this idea has NO CHANCE on the political left, either.

    Plus, how about citing something from science besides this one guy. If you idea is real, there will be actual scientists who have something to say about it. Your guy has a facebook page and that's it as far as the internet is concerned.

    BTW, spending gigantic tax dollars on a project on another continent is not "win-win".
     
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    The extreme left in California have delayed and delayed even plans to build desalination plants in California that could also supply desalinated water to Los Vegas.


    Desalination advances in California despite opponents pushing for alternatives

     
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    Nothing in that story applies to your idea.

    If you want to support your idea, find a serious source of science or economics that actually has something positive to say about it.

    And, cut your idiotic partisan mumbo jumbo. If it is a sound idea, it will have nothing to do with partisan politics. Politics will only have a roll in evaluating the various impacts and deciding whether to do it.
     
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    Or... ask any well informed resident of California who has been keeping up on local news stories.
     
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    LOL. I live in the SF bay area now.

    You'll have to do better than that.
     
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    Then you must be limiting your discussion and friendship to people whose opinions are very strong politically left... because Environmentalists killing many large scale desalination projects for California since the 1970's is common knowledge. Some of them involved getting desalinated water to Los Vegas and lots of financing was available..... but the Environmentalists killed each proposed project.




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    Why do you care? What is your point?

    Climate change and economic growth in the US Southwest including up through the agriculture regions of the central valleys is certainly putting a stress on water.

    But, that doesn't mean that desalination is the best solution. Desalinated water will be more expensive, more energy-intensive, and more harmful to marine ecosystems, when compared with other strategies for increasing local water supplies. Las Vegas may want more water, but that's not seen by CA as a justification for allowing its marine ecosystems to be destroyed.

    And, desalination certainly does NOT form an excuse for ignoring our warming Earth.
     
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    I am biased toward viewing large scale sea water desalination projects very favorably partly due to the geography of the Bay of Fundy that I have driven by many times.



    https://www.cbc.ca/player/play/1888337987911



    When could Nova Scotia become an island?

     
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    This isn't a case of one size fits all.
     
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    True... but food shortages are predicted for the coming decades and by desalinating sea water we can produce more food... so this is generally a win - win - win - win - win type of approach.
     
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    Desalination is NOT the only solution for water, let alone for more food.
     
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    Desalination is a band aid over the tumor that is human overpopulation.

    But that is what all the fires are about - too many people consuming too much fresh water from nature, leaving vegetation dry and ready to burn.

    A warmer earth is a wetter earth with less fires....

    If we had spent 1/10th the money we wasted on these fudge baking co2 liars on desalination, the fire problem would be totally under control given the current population.

    Totally defund "research" money to everyone lying about co2 and fund desalination and

    Push for leaders who will fight to halt human population growth right now...
     
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    Our water consumption is not causing forests to become dryer. We don't have any way of doing that.

    Forests are dryer because rainfall is lower. Aquifers and rivers are emptier because less water is running off of forest land and other land, due to lower rainfall. The result is that there IS competition among the various uses of water - farming vs. cities, for example. And, there are regions in the world where the lower rainfall is causing serious impact on agriculture.

    These changes we are seeing ARE what science has projected would be the case.

    That includes that a warmer average temperature of Earth does NOT cause the same changes everywhere. And, that is certainly the case for rainfall.



    I'm curious - what methods are you ready to promote when you call for government to "halt human population growth now"??
     
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    I am completely uninterested in the topic of "halt human population growth now".....
    That is Bill Gates theory.... not mine.....
    I want to turn deserts green and produce vastly more food for an increasing population.

    My theory is to attempt to assist and encourage nine point three million Israelis to begin plans for a literal fulfillment of Ezekiel chapter forty seven..... (which of course will include chapters forty to forty six).


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    Getting credit means very, very, very little to me so I am hoping to stir up the spirit of Moshiach ben Ephrayim and he can beat me in the race to get this accomplished.



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    Bill Gates is NOT interested in taking any action on reducing population growth by means other than addressing poverty - which is noted as having the result of reduction in population growth.

    Are you interested in reduction if poverty?

    As for your other ideas, you have NEVER given any data regarding what is possible or how it could be accomplished, reasons for considering the region you do, or why the heck you connect your religious beliefs to your solutions.

    Increased agriculture through desalination does not require temples. It doesn't require deserts. It doesn't require single site megaprojects.

    It DOES require funding. It DOES require an understanding of the waste products. It DOES require power. It DOES require issues of transportation. It IS important to consider proximity of need.

    Rather that touting the racist past president, who helped support Israel in the devastation of Palestinian agriculture, how about picking ONE of the above requirements and considering how it would be solved?
     
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    I would love it if you were correct... .but his own testimony indicates otherwise......
    His own testimony combined with his actions over the past five to ten years.... proves that he really believes in Malthusian Catastrophe Theory.

    Bill Gates is neoMalthusian.... which means that he may be sincerely attempting to protect the environment of the year 2150.... but he is definitely interested in reducing world population through vaccines that sterilize a significant percentage of people.







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    Suggesting there is anything "Malthusian" about that talk is just plain utter bull.

    Say it in your words.

    Tell me in your words what it is that you think is wrong with what he is doing.

    I'm tired of watching truly crappy videos.
     

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