The Vaccine Refusers Are Causing Lasting Material Damage To America!

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  1. Heartburn

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    What I see and hear. You?
     
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    People have no obligation to take this vaccine. It's not a cure-all panacea, like some people seem to think.

    "Everything" doesn't hinge on it.

    This is disappointing to hear from you, JimfromPennsylvania. I have read your posts in the past. They seemed reasonably thoughtful. I would have expected better from you.
     
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    https://apnews.com/article/coronavi...The United States,himself as “very frustrated
    Dr. Fauci says that America is moving into the wrong direction.


    The United States is in an “unnecessary predicament” of soaring COVID-19 cases fueled by unvaccinated Americans and the virulent delta variant, the nation’s top infectious diseases expert said Sunday.

    “We’re going in the wrong direction,” said Dr. Anthony Fauci, describing himself as “very frustrated.”

    He said recommending that the vaccinated wear masks is “under active consideration” by the government’s leading public health officials. Also, booster shots may be suggested for people with suppressed immune systems who have been vaccinated, Fauci said.
     
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    Gee, weird how we didn't hear squat out of you while Biden and Kamala were urging Americans to distrust the vaccine in the run up to the election. Such a pretense to high mindedness when really, for some folks, it's all politics.

    Who are actually the holdouts? Is it really evangelicals for Trump? Let's check in with the CDC

    THE VEXING VACCINE

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    Looks like it's more likely to be a Biden/Harris supporting yoga instructor.

    When Cuomo was anti-Vax:
    You claim that Trump supporters who are still examining the data are "killing people". Did you level the same charge against Cuomo, who literally killed grandparents by the thousands by forcing covid patients into nursing homes that could not segregate them from other residents?

    When Biden was anti-Vax"
    Joe Biden, September 2020:
    Did we get one damn word out of you then about how Biden is killing people?

    When Kamal was anti-Vax:
    Kamala Harris in the Vice Presidential Debate:
    Did we get one damn word out of you, then?

    When Democrat Gov of Washington State was anti-Vax
    Democratic Governor of Washington, Jay Inslee, Sept. 2020, when asked if he would support the Operation Warp Speed shot:
    Did we get a peep out of you? Much less several long paragraphs of lamentation? Why no. That we only get when you can bash your political opponents.
     
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    The only stakes here, from what the "elite" has told us are, that if you are un vaccinated, you may get China Virus. Of those unvaccinated, a good many have natural immunity. So you personally feel an American elite has a right to dictate what others might put into their body? I made the personal choice to be vaccinated. I have a niece who isn't. She is now recovering from the China Virus. Don't you lay a guilt trip on her! She will be as immune or more immune than I am.

    So first tell me if I am vaccinated I don't need to wear a mask then the elite changes their mind and says I will have to. This is merely a game of Simple Simon says played by an elite few. They just want to stoke fear and get the minions to obey government. The minions that don't rebel are merely "virtue signalling". They aren't safe......the woke elite will come after them in other ways!
     
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    Your posts brings up a vision a year ago of my neurotic daughter in law masked and sitting outside the fence, by herself in centerfield trying to view her sons baseball game. My wife and I and her husband were in the crowded stands behind home plate cheering and socializing, unmasked and watching a team of unmasked players having a good time. You know what? ......her damn mask didn't change a thing but I guess it made her feel really good about herself! (it really did look silly)
     
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    There are still some people out there that still think that once they got the virus once and defeated it, They think that they're immune and won't get it again. They are wrong because they can get it again. Those what don't and won't get the shot are in bigger danger than those that got the shots and that is a fact. The reasons that I think is some won't get it and think that they are immune, Some would think it would be a waste of their time, there are some that will not have that vaccine be put in their body for some reason, There are some that are scared to have a needle put in them maybe because it hurts. Get over it and get the shots. We all need to get the shot, it may save your life.
     
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    I think a lot of people have decided that getting Covid is less of a risk than the side effects of the vaccine. I believe the choice is theirs to make.
     
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    Well those that decline run the consequences of getting sick and die. You're right, It's their decision and they run that risk. That's all.

    Masks, vaccines could stop COVID spike within 2 weeks, CDC director says (msn.com)
    A renewed vaccine push mixed with masking could flatten America’s recent spike in coronavirus cases within two weeks, the director of the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention said Wednesday morning. This might do good if we all do the right thing
     
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    People are wondering just who determines the right thing. This Administration has been all over the place with it's recommendations. I got the vaccine the second day it was offered here locally and that was early in the distribution cycle, but I'm not sure I would feel the same sense of urgency today. I can understand the reluctance and I support whatever choice people are making on a personal level. It is their right to do so.
     
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    So this woman chose to worked to protect herself from a infectious disease with no vaccine or reliable cure while the rest of this family partied with no protections or care for the surrounding people?

    Well, one person was not "neurotic", she was the only one who had good sense.
     
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    You did the right thing and that's good. When there was a vaccine for Polio, they all did and it paid off. If we all get the shot, it will pay off.
     
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    This isn't polio and even the Administration, after selling the vaccine as savior of humanity, is now telling us it will always be here. Anybody who didn't already believe that is a proud bridge owner somewhere. This remasking is about control and this is simply not living and it's absolutely not American in nature. If there weren't so many reports of adverse effect for the shots I'd sound like you but till a real vaccine is developed perhaps we are better off to get the virus and get over it. I'm 77 years old and if I die then so be it but I don't want my grand and great grandchildren to have to live under the thumb of Biden the Bullshit Whisperer and whoever replaces him.
     
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    The survival rate is something like 99.78%. As of right now more than 80% of the population has developed immunity.
     
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    Where do people get this stuff?
     
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    2% of the people confirmed to have Covid died, Anyone who followed the data knew that long ago. The death rate was entirely predictable by June of last year.

    The Delta variant is more dangerous than the Alpha on which the 2% death rate was based. Delta is also more contagious.

    Some people have shown a loss of natural immunity after just a matter of months. So you can't assume that eveyone exposed is immune. Just the opposite is likely true after a year. The same is true for other Corona viruses like the so-called common cold. You can catch the same cold every year.

    We will likely require a booster vaccination as well. But Pfizer has shown a booster to be very effective against the Delta variant. And immunity from the vaccine is stronger and lasts longer than immunity from infection.

    It is true that in some liberal areas like Seattle, the vaccination rate is over 80%. But that is only true in liberal areas.

    So you are 0 for 2. Next!
     
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    The recovery rate is greater than 99%.
     
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    Don’t know where you get your info from but the only immunity with memory is natural immunity and why you are hearing about boosters.

    There is no evidence the delta variant is more dangerous, in fact the data out of the UK says otherwise. We don’t even know how many here have it since the numbers are based on a model and not real data.

    I caught H1N1, another corona virus, in 2009 and have not been sick or had a cold since.
     
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    They squat and grunt
     
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    Biden's bringing in unvaccinated illegals by the thousands, not testing them, not vaccinating them, and slipping them into the shadows all through America without coordinating with local authorities in a mass super spreader event, and I haven't heard you say a word about it. You angst seems a bit political
    BIPARTISAN CONCERN: Abbott aims to restrict immigrant travel through Texas, citing rising Covid-19 infections.

    "If Covid concerns justify restrictions on Americans, how can they not justify restrictions on illegal aliens?"
    This will stop the demented Biden Administration from spreading COVID all over the nation, at least by way of Texas
    Enough is enough

    Texas Democrat calls for ‘pause’ on migrant releases.
     
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    Why would you want to get a virus that leaves 10% of people with long-term symptoms when you have a vaccine that protects you with very little risk?
    Whataboutism run amok.
     
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    This is bullshit. Did you make it up?
     
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    :blahblah: :blahblah: :blahblah:

    An absurd complaint when half of Republicans aren't getting vaccinated. Trumpers are the problem in this country.

    P.S. We shouldn't be releasing illegals into this country whether they have or haven't been vaccinated.
     
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    Prove that claim. Of course if true it may because they are less susceptible to herd behavior.
     
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