Why should people be forced to get the vaccine in order to protect others who choose not to get it?

Yeah, but you talked about, "those who have it" who "either stop spreading it or die."

 

yes, slavery was not a choice, it was forced

 

if they show doctors proof they could not take it, exceptions could be made, such as if you're allergic to something in every vaccine out there, very very few meet that criteria

 

I just did, so yes

 

I know about things like that, but I do not care enough to go post on one of their political sites day in and day out

I can only guess that your not happy living in the au and someday would like to move here or dream of moving here someday

but I do thank you for being honest and admitting you're not an American, many from other countries pretend to be Americans

 

Yeah, that's because what happens in Australia LITERALLY does not matter! We could accidentally NUKE ourselves tomorrow and the world would continue on as always.

No, I'm very happy living in Australia. Why would you think I'm not happy?

 

Before this thread?

 

What happened to, "business do not have to put their customers at risk?"

 

Well that really inspires confidence in their product doesn't it makes me want to run out and get it tomorrow not....

 

But what happens if vaccination is not enough?

There is already some strong indication that many of those who are vaccinated can still acquire the disease and spread it, even if they do not show symptoms, or do not show strong symptoms.

Then all that forced vaccination and taking away choice will have been in vain.

What happens if the developed countries are able to completely eliminate it, but not the undeveloped countries? It only takes one illegal migrant sneaking in to start the whole thing all over again.

Is the Left going to try to stop this? You know they're not. So it will simply be reintroduced again. There may be no getting rid of it.

 

Whoah there, Chris, although there have been a number of pandemics assigned that status in the 20th century, there hasn't been a Covid level pandemic (of that level of urgency) since the Influenza ( Spanish Flu) of 1918.

Actually, the ONLY way a vaccine manufacturer can be held liable for a vaccine is if it is proven that they didn't follow manufacturing protocols. For example, those botched J&J (recalled) vaxxes, if someone died because of one of those, that person's relatives could have filed a wrongful death suit, direct to J&J, but, without a mess up on the manufacturing end, the ONLY place you can sue is to the Vaccine Court. Note that the award is paid by taxpayers.

No, I'm not at all crazy about the arrangement, but that's the state of it.

I would take it out of the 'experimental' column now, there have been almost 900 million vaccinations, and the odds of an SAE are rare.

Moreover, FDA EUA, insofar as safety, are on par with BLA ( full FDA auth) keep that in mind when you toss around the term 'experimental' 'cause using that term might cause some folks not to get the vaccine, and they are risking their lives if they don't get it.

But, on the grand scale, nothing like this, for sure.

 

Worry about which group, those that will get it anyway, or those that won't but for the mandate?

I'll assume you meant the latter.

Well, you know, concern about your fellow man, health of your employees, and all that, maybe?

Chris, just a tiny word of criticism on your posts, At times I find myself having to infer your meaning, and what that means is that you are not articulating
your ideas with precision, you have room for improvement on that count, just sayin'. Okay? Now don't get mad at me I'm trying to help.

So, let's see if I drew the correct inference:

If you are implying my analogy was imperfect, maybe so, but the fact that the stop light, like the vaccine mandate, are designed to get those who might not stop, or might get the shot, insofar as that point, they are equal and both could get killed if they don't. Oh, suppose if you don't stop at a stop light, sure, the odds of death are probably higher than not getting the vax, but, that distinction isn't really that important for the point.

Now then, remember....

1. Those who will get the vax anyway, will get the vax anyway .

2. A mandate is to nudge those who otherwise wouldn't get it.

Employers do #2, for two reasons, most likely:

A) Liability.

B) Concern for the health of their employees.

"A" is a definite, "B" is a maybe some will.

 

How many lives could have been saved with flu shot mandates since they were introduced?

So the ONLY way that a vaccine manufacturer can be held liable for a vaccine is if it is proven that they didn't follow manufacturing protocols, but somehow over $4 billion has been awarded due to vaccine injury? I'm guessing you mean that the ONLY way that a vaccine manufacturer can be held liable for a vaccine is if the 'Vaccine Court' decides it.

Do we know the possible long term impacts?

Then why the FDA's distinction?

You mean exactly like they're risking their lives if they drive on the road?

 

When the wrong question is asked, the correct answer become much more difficult.

 

If someone doesn't want to protect themselves, then why should we worry? Isn't that THEIR choice?

I just assumed that you were talking about an innocent person who that person could kill by going through the red light! Are you actually just talking about the possible death of the person going through the red light?

 

Which wrong question?

 

if all but the exceptions are vaccinated, it will be safe for their customers

we don't have to be 100% vaccinated

once the country hits herd immunity via that vaccine, no one will even care anymore

 

with the new mrna technology, we could do the same for a flu vaccine, create a vaccine that targets future variants as well

be able to target cancers, the list goes on

 

sure, when ever there is a choice, one is either pro-choice or anti-choice

 

Well it would vary depending on the percentage of the population that is vaccinated. If the majority of a city is vaccinated, I can't imagine that hospitals would be at risk of being overwhelmed.

 

So how many lives could have been saved with flu shot mandates since they were introduced?

 

when did you have flu shot mandates?

 

What if 50% of the employees are not able to be vaccinated. Would you support them all being fired?

 

up to the business, but yes, as common sense says 50% of the employees do not have a valid medical reason not to get the vax