How does a secular or atheist person get a religious and / or spiritual experience?

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  1. chris155au

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    A Christian Bible as defined by WHAT?
     
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    When did you cite The Vatican?
     
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    it's a Christian bible, that is just fact, I know you don't like it, as it means yours could be a fake, but it is none the less
     
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    has to be a shock to all the Christian out there, as if this is true, they have been believing it all wrong

    "Vatican In Shock As 1,500-Year-Old Bible Claims Jesus Wasn’t Crucified"

    https://yourblackworld.net/2017/03/...-year-old-bible-claims-jesus-wasnt-crucified/

    "Experts and religious bodies have examined the book and agree that it’s an original piece. It’s clearly written in gold lettering in Aramaic, the language of Jesus Christ."

    "The gospel claims that Christ was neither crucified nor was he God’s son. Instead, it says he was just a prophet. The book also refers to Apostle Paul as “The Impostor” and further claims that Christ ascended back to heaven alive, with Judas Iscariot being crucified in his place."


    oldest Bible ever to be found, think Christian would all want to read about it
     
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    So any old collection of religious texts, writings, or scriptures can be considered to be a Christian Bible?
     
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    How does a secular or atheist person get a religious and / or spiritual experience?
    One way would be how so many such experiences occurred to past spiritual figures; severely alter consciousness through fasting and/or ingesting psychedelics.
     
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    this is a Christian Bible, why do you think it's not?
     
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    RE: How does a secular or atheist person get a religious and / or spiritual experience?
    SUBTOPIC: A question of the Bible...
    ⁜→ FreshAir, et al,

    (COMMENT)

    OH yes. It could be as you say. Or it can be something else. We will have to wait and see.

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    Most Respectfully,
    R
     
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    I'm not saying that it's not. I'm simply asking for the evidence that it IS a Christian Bible!
     
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    It turns out that it's OLD NEWS. Possibly as old as the year 2000. Sometimes old stories get re-reported as news.
     
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    the experts call it a Christian bible, what other religion at that time would have existed, this was around the time Jesus died, it was about Jesus, it's a Christian Bible
     
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    yes, when Christians learned of it's content, some tried to hide it at first, they don't like the contents - as if true it means people need to question the modern bible and some of the things it says
     
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    It was a set of writings/texts which related to Christianity, but what makes it a Bible?
     
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    what makes the modern day bible a bible?

    "It was a set of writings/texts which related to Christianity"

    yes, written during the time of Jesus, shortly after his death, way before current bibles
     
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    Agreement among scholars.

    So this means that it's less likely than someone will write something fraudulent?
     
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    not all scholars agree, in fact, that is why you have so many flavors of the modern bible

    don't you find this discovery interesting, don't you want to know the truth?
     
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    Find me one single scholar who thinks that this so called "Bible" is the REAL Bible.

    Sure it's interesting. What's it got to do with the truth?
     
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    it is a Christian bible, you just don't like what it has to say it seems
     
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    You still haven't supported your claim.
     
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    I have no claim, they found the oldest bible ever, and it differs in the accounts of the modern bible, you still have not proven the modern bible is more accurate then the bible written during the time of Jesus's death
     
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    That's from the Vatican?
     
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    Man created religion to put the fear of god in people so they would behave and live life in a civil manner. Also it has put a lot of money in people's pockets over the centuries. A person can easily practice what is said in the Commandments without believing there is a god.
     
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    A person can do much better than the ten commandments, half of which are about obedience, and which fail to forbid slavery, etc.
     
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    I agree 100%. Sorry I didn't go a more lengthy detail.
     
  25. chris155au

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    You're assuming that the 10 Commandments is all there is to Christianity.
     

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