Biden to speak live on Afghanistan @ 3:45 PM EST

You went from cutting edge equipment, drones and tanks to small arms.

Wouldn't it be nice to actually know what you are talking about?

We're done. We are finally out of that place, and Biden took full responsibility.

Yes, people complain for the sake of complaining. The Taliban started moving when we started evacuating the airfields etc, because they knew the wait was over. The "Trump deal" promised them legit seat at the table, which they now have, and they don't have to share with anyone since the president ran out of the country.

 

Good speech. Clarified some things and took full responsibility for the withdrawal.

 

Indeed. here will be a lot of "post mortems" about this whole 20 yr situation.


The fact that the Afghans were not able or willing to defend themselves.........suggests that they might have become too dependant on the US for all security matters......... They did not seem to have the incentive to learn t be independent as an entity with a different style of government. The fact that their leader escaped to another country when things got tough........speaks volumes. Did anyone predict HIS behavior???

 

If he resigns then Harris is in. **** that.

 

Biden is not Trump. This will always be a plus, as it is the opposite of a wannabe dictator trying to overthrow our system of government. So hell no, I would not want Trump back, not now, not ever. Dems could put up a crack addled chimpanzee in 2024 and, if Trump runs again, I'd vote for the chimp.

I'd rather have an incompetent fool than a madman bent upon putting an end to our form of government, replacing it with himself.

But hell yes this is a gargantuan screw-up by Biden. Not the fact that we left, Trump set that time table and original conditions. The fault on Biden is in the lousy planning and the failure to react to events on the ground. The Taliban had been advancing for weeks. Ignoring peace overtures by the Afghan government. Sure, some momentary wins for the Afghan army, but warlords were re-arming and defending their territory and cooperating with the Taliban. Or keeping them out, instead of the Afghan army doing its job.

The collapse of Afghan national forces was not only predictable, it was predicted by lots of people.

Biden's failure is in sticking with the set plan. He should have done what many were screaming and begging for. Hit the Taliban hard, broad air attacks nationwide. At the same time accelerate evacuation of our Afghan friends. All those people who worked with us and helped us for twenty years.

Nope, to hell with all those people. We even left our own civilians to fend for themselves. Only military and foreign service were evacuated.

Total disaster. Abject failure. No other words for it.

 

Well, in my lifetime it’s always been the progressive left that have been the true anti war voices in America. Those who are driven by heart and soul rather than dollars and cents. I have always supported that part of their agenda. It’s true that both Republicans and so called middle of the road Democrats like Biden and Clinton have advanced the agenda of the greedy idiotic war profiteers and their ill fated, short sighted ventures over the years. I have despised them for it at every turn.

Hopefully, these archaic ideas will be forever abandoned and we can evolve as a species and reject this idiocy and focus our efforts on the betterment of all mankind on this planet and thus create a better world for everyone inhabiting this incredible and abundant planet. It’s up to us as human beings to make this transformation. It’s all about appealing to our higher consciousness and tapping into the divine wisdom of the universe. Once you cut through all the bullshit propaganda it all becomes quite simple. It is not about right vs left, it’s about right vs wrong.

 

Upon what do you base your "right vs. wrong"?

 

Anyone would have handled the situation better than our current President, except Kamala Harris (border situation). Bush doesn't really count, because he'd never comply with the withdrawal date. Huge Failure above and below the surface.

Aside for the persecution, murder, and chaos, the other issue relating to Afghanistan is the Chinese influence on the ground. China has been funding Taliban weapon purchases since April, and they've been increasing their presence around the region. https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/china-secretly-backing-brutal-taliban-24698057; https://uniteddailynews.com/china-s...hange-for-help-oppressing-uyghurs-world-news/

China is a huge blindspot for the Biden Administration. Chinese support for a Taiwanese invasion has soared due to the latest events in Afghanistan. I have no doubt the United States will have to confront China at some point. If they are allowed to take Taiwan without US military intervention, they will expand their military economy to invade other nations. And unlike the US, they will successfully subjugate peoples that resist just as they do the Uyghur Muslims.

 

Boo, hiss.

 

Thou shalt not kill, thou shalt not steal, thou shalt not lie, thou shalt not take advantage of those who can’t defend themselves, thou shalt not create chaos in order to make money.....Stuff like that.

 

"Stuff like that" huh?
Mm Hmm.

2 of those are commandments and you're flailing to think of the others.

I bet you do not believe in objective morality.

 

If you do not know right from wrong, I can’t help you. The whole left vs right paradigm is a false creation of the scoundrels whose plan is to pit good people against each other in order to create a diversion while they pillage and rape the earth of all its wealth. Thus Fox and MSNBC 24/7/365....The system here in America is this phony Demikins vs Republicrat illusion. We need to get back to the simple premise of what’s right vs what’s wrong.

 

I honestly do NOT understand how so many can't see that. It's beyond obvious. They are driving me crazy with this left/right nonsense. We are all Americans and while we sit here fighting over BS China is ready to pounce, the Japanese are kicking our butts academically and are more socially responsible (none of this "every man for himself!" chest bump craziness), the Taliban *might* let our people leave alive and what are we doing? Bickering over nonsense.

It amazes me how people get stuck in the headlights on this morality issue. If you need a book or preacher or somebody else to tell you right from wrong, you are way beyond redemption.

 

So do you, or do you not believe in objective morality?

 

Points for the idea, complete and utter disaster in the implementation.

 

Biden got people killed tonight, period. True story.
Bad.

 

I think it's even more than that. There's something in the Afghan psychology. It's like the anger and passion is taken out of 3/4 the population and shoved into the other quarter (Taliban). This leads to besides having unbalanced physiologies.

I.e. Masters and slaves.

If only the general peeps fought as hard as the Taliban! (Who are Afghan as well)

 

Yeah, it was. My bad, sorry.

 

It is not about right vs left, it’s about right vs wrong.
Absolutely.
I don't credit the progressive left with being more anti-war than a libertarian/populist right though. Both have to work together to stay conscious that there is a bi-partisan forever war movement as a major faction of both sides and resist.

 

I admit saying that the full pull-out was a mistake (that we should have left a presence), but knowing what I know now (that the locals would simply lay down their arms), I'm now glad its done. We are out and Afghanistan had their chance to handle their country on their own, but they chose to strike deals with the devil (Taliban), so they will have only themselves to blame. Enough is enough, - its not our problem anymore. Biden manned up and took full responsibility, which was refreshing. Whiners will whine. They would have complained no matter what, so they can be ignored.

 

It's a clean break (from the Graveyard of Empires). At least the US can't be constantly implicated and pulled into what goes wrong within Afghanistan from here.

And we now know what to do ( and what not to do) if the Taliban is stupid enough to start fostering terrorism again.

 

Biden's blind petulance shakes the foundations of the Free World:

Emboldened China Warns Taiwan: ‘The Island’s Defense Will Collapse’ and the ‘U.S. Military Won’t Come to Help.’

“China is paying very close attention and learning one of the obvious lessons of the last few days.”

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"The Global Times article features a cartoon of the American eagle with one wing on the shoulder of Taiwan’s President Tsai Ing-wen, presumably offering her wise counsel while leading her to walk right into an open manhole. That sums up the article’s point succinctly. “The world has witnessed,” says Global Times, “how the US evacuated its diplomats by helicopter while Taliban soldiers crowded into the presidential palace in Kabul. This has dealt a heavy blow to the credibility and reliability of the US.”

Exactly what Biden claimed would NOT happen.

 

Many times I have told everybody the true story of General Tommy Franks.
Summary. None of the ground troops there saw Bin Laden. So it is not true Franks let him escape.
Franks only had perhaps a thousand of our spotters to work to ensure our bombers bombed accurately. We did not believe the Afghanis understood now to spot for our Bombers nor our fighters planes.
Franks retired ahead of General Abizaid's build up of troops.

Sure you enjoy defeat. It reads like the white flag of surrender is owned by Democrats.

 

Biden whined it is Trumps fault.

There is a large story yet to be told.
This is just my guess but as one educated in war as a layman.
The Taliban were smart and infiltrated the forces Biden trusted.
They were why the forces did not fight. They led the local army of the Afghanis.

 

Biden's flag of surrender was seen globally.