Nikki Haley: Biden 'destroyed' everything we've done in Afghanistan

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  1. btthegreat

    btthegreat Well-Known Member

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    If everything we fought for, fell apart in a couple of months, then it was never there in the first place. The real lesson here is not sitting in our military loss. Its in our failure to change the 'hearts and minds' of the Afghanistan people while we occupied the country and while we were mentoring the Afghan govt and military.

    The reason it all fell apart so quickly was, that nobody actually really wanted the 'product' that we had been selling them. Imagine us as door to door salesmen trying to sell a magazine subscription. They took the free issues, the coupons and free starter gifts that came with the package and then they just canceled.
     
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    Robert Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I keep recalling our leaders of old who simply did not try to win wars as Old Joe tried to win lose this one.
     
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    Robert Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Biden can collect more losses say in Iraq, in Taiwan and In Korea.
     
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    it was what led up to what is happening now
     
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    Not sure your post is remotely connected to mine. This was probably lost before it began and it stayed lost during 4 administrations. Its a guerrilla war in the second worst place anyone can fight one.

    We seem to have a knack for picking these.
     
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    Robert Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    OK we can all keep trying the façade of pretending Biden is not the president.
    Why didn't you do it for Trump?

    I mean this. When Trump messed up, just discuss Obama. Blame it all on Obama.
     
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    Robert Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Bush won because he used the Afghanis forces. They won. They ran out the Taliban and Al Qaeda. When was the last attack by Al Qaeda?
     
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    OK we can all keep trying the façade of pretending Trump is not the one that made the Trump\Taliban deal
     
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    Robert Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Poor Biden. Can't make use of him as the leader. It is still Trump in charge.
     
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    Haley sold her soul in the hopes of being President one day. She holds no value any longer. Trumpism does this to everyone it touches.
     
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    "Everything Trump Touches Dies" ETTD
     
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    If Bush had won, he could have pulled out all the troops before he left. But he didn't win. The moment those troops left, terrorist radical groups were going to re congregate, re- constitute and start grabbing territory.
     
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    it's still Trump's Taliban deal

    yes, Biden gets credit\blame for not undoing Trump's deal

    just like Trump gets the blame for not undoing the ACA
     
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    That is why General Tommy Franks used the Afghani forces and he paid them millions of dollars.
    Why is it this bad of an area?

    Well it is land locked.
    Second there is a lot of high mountains there.
    Mountains take much longer to win and clear the enemy in.
    But after Bush, somebody started a cluster eff. I blame General Abizaid though he has a very honorable record.
    When Obama fired General McChrystal I blame Obama.

    I blame Biden since he is who made the present promises.
    That the forces of Afghanistan could not be defeated by the Taliban.
    Biden lied. Humans died.
     
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    How damned long will Trump be in charge of the USA?
     
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    Bush did put up the mission accomplished sign way back then, but here we are 20 years later
     
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    Bush had 32,500 troops but those included the Navy and also the Air Force.
    Bush had lost 113 lives of Americans but with the Taliban attacking, losses were light.
    Biden should have told the Taliban ....I Biden am now in charge. The deal was lousy. I am changing it to we will keep 30,000 troops there and give them air and navy support.
    Biden elected to lose.
     
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    The mission accomplished sign was for Iraq and it was General Tommy Franks that asked it be announced to get the NGOS to enter Iraq.

    Now that you brought up Iraq, I do expect Biden to lose that country and blame it all on Trump as you will no doubt.
     
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    we never should have been in Iraq either
     
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    That sounds like we never should have been in Germany either in 1945.
     
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    Only to a die hard Trumper.
     
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    does Trump have any other deals with the taliban?

    was any plan given to Biden during the peaceful transfer of power about how the Trump admin expected to get these people out in 4 months?
     
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    How damned long will Trump be in charge of the USA?
     
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    I am a die hard American.
     
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    how many deals did Trump make with the Taliban? you think Trump's deals with the terrorists did not still play a part in this? really?

    was any plan given to Biden during the peaceful transfer of power about how the Trump admin expected to get these people out in 4 months?
     

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