'The Double Standard Is Just Driving Me Nuts': Jim Jordan Responds To Zoe Lofgren's Criticism

This is how the Democrats operate in the Senate and the House.
They propose nonsense. Republicans point out it is nonsense.
Democrats due to control pass or kill the republican amendment nevertheless.
I watched this during Obama and the democrats froze out republicans and still freeze them out.
We need to change the house and Senate to Republican ran.

 

What kind of WHINER thinks that losing a vote on an amendment is being "frozen out"???

Beyond that, Dems have a SOLID record of bipartisanship, ESPECIALLY under Obama, including when Dems had the Senate supermajority.

At that time, the major bills (healthcare and immigration reform) were designed in BIPARTISAN committees with full Republican representation. With health care, more than 140 Republican amendments were voted into the health care reform bill. Throughout the process with both major pieces of legislation Republican participants were fully allowed to address the public on what was discussed in these sessions.

The result was the passage of the healthcare bill. And, it resulted in the passage of the comprehensive immigration reform bill in the Senate, where significant Republican Senators PROMOTED that bill - committee members such as Rubio. However, in the House the Republican Chair, Boehner, refused to allow the bill to even COME TO A VOTE!!

Under Republican Senate and House leadership, Democrats were not allowed to even participate in ANY of the significant issues, as Republicans chose to create their legislation in venues and with methods that totally excluded Democratic participation.

THAT is what "frozen out" means.

You are NOT looking for free and open methods - you WANT to freeze out the opposition.

So, stop with the crap about wanting "freedom", etc. That is absolutely NOT what you want.

 

Democrats ran the Government all by themselves when Obama was president.

I am a keen observer of the legislative process and was always complaining that the Democrats froze out the Republicans.
And they are doing it this year too.

You know who is stopping Democrats in 2021? Other democrats are.

 

As I pointed out IN DETAIL, you are absolutely WRONG here.

 

Politifact checked those amendments and they were technical in nature and not addressed to the substance of the law.

Democrats began this lie when Gutierrez spread it after Obama spread the lie.

We decided to look into Gutierrez’s claim that the final version of the Affordable Care Act incorporated hundreds of Republican amendments.

When the ACA was making its way through Congress, former President Barack Obama made a similar statement in September 2009. During a joint address to Congress, he said that his plan incorporated the ideas of both Republicans and Democrats. We rated that claim Mostly False, because many of the amendments Republicans introduced were technical in nature.
https://www.politifact.com/factchec...tierrez-says-hundreds-republican-amendments-/

 

Next time you want to spread misinformation, check first with PolitiFact.

 

Do you know what technical points means in laws?
Clearly you are confused when you claim Democrats ensured republicans were allowed to make amendments.
I watched on CSPAN as amendment upon amendment by republicans met rejection by Democrats.
Technical changes do not count.

 

WTF? You can't discount the process because the amendments were "technical in nature".

The point is that the process worked.

In fact, in the case of immigration reform, Republican senators promoted the bill to their party.

And, it not only passed in the Senate but would have passed in the House had the Republican Chair (Boehner) not blocked the vote.

BTW: I pointed to the 140 number because that is the number stated by McCain, who was one of the committee members and a strong advocate for the process that was taking place besides being an advocate for the final legislation - as was committee member Rubio and others.

And you have ZIP to compare that to, as Republicans DO NOT BELIEVE IN OUR CONGRESS as being a body which works together to form legislation - the duty for which our founders CREATED congress.

 

??? There were large numbers of amendments from both sides that did not get voted into the final bill.

In fact, there were major features from both sides that either didn't exist or were removed in order to allow the bill to pass.

Key among these were the methods designed to reduce the cost of healthcare insurance - a serious issue for Democrats, and one opposed by Republicans.

 

Look, you clearly did not t ake advantage of C-SPAN where I saw as they happened, the Democrats blocking so many republican amendments it seemed as if none of the R amendments got passed.

Some republicans admit that just on techinalities, they did get some of those amendments passed.
Republicans primary concern was cost.
For a law to apply to such a small number of the public, it sucked as a health care law.
It had a direct impact on maybe 20 million of the over 300 million citizens.

That Con job it saved money? Utter rubbish. It cost 20 million citizens a hell of a lot of money.

 

No, cost was not the issue Republican leadership pointed to.

Boehner and McConnell stated that the healthcare bill would be defeated as a show of power after having suffered such a serious election setback.

They didn't give a CRAP about healthcare - or immigration, for that matter.

 

Look, more than me, PolitiFact deemed the Democrats claims as false.

https://www.politifact.com/factchec...tierrez-says-hundreds-republican-amendments-/
We have long had a very good immigration policy.
Do it legal and in you come. Do it legal and the law is not going to arrest you.
Try that trick illegally and you will be welcomed by Democrats and deported by Republicans.

Congress it can be said was created primarily by Democrats. Yes slavery was legal due to Democrats.
How did the Democrats then create Congress?
First the house was the peoples body of representatives. The house is the sole body to be called representatives.
So how about the Senate..

States formed the constitution by voting for it. And Senators were the lawful body to legislate for each State. This spawned the term states rights.

Senators never are called representatives due to them being the body delegated to work for states.
So that is how it was set up.
Democrats promoted slavery, fought for slavery and to this day keep blacks hoping they will be free at some point.

 

you're really having a bad day with spamming being your only resort.

But, that last sentence is novel.

For that, you manage to totally ignore the political realignment of the parties on the issues of segregation.

While neither party necessarily has a stellar record, Republicans have been the party of white supremacy for decades.

Just ask Trump!

 

Democrats only cared about around 6 percent of all Americans. For the rest who suffered a lot higher insurance premium, Obama told them to go to hell.
20 million citizens had been forced to pay for insurance for the first time. And it was not optional. Democrats jammed the law up their rectums.

Immigration is a body of law that has a long history in this country.
It has nothing to do with democrats blocking amendments by republicans on the piss poor so called health care act agreed to by the fool Obama.

 

Actually you need to be corrected or else others will believe in lies.

There never was any so called realignment of the two parties. And there is no proof at all it ever happened.

Democrats own the title of white supremacy. By themselves.

Trump denounced it as a Democrat ideology.

 

You can get penalized on this board for calling me a liar like that.

But, I don't report people, so you're probably get away with it.

Trump IS a white supremacist. He just knows he has to toss in something to confuse you once in a while, like after stating that the white supremacists at Charlottesville were very fine people.

But, white supremacists KNOW he's on their side.

 

Trump claimed that the public attending events in Charlottesville had some fine people. Do you think no fine people were there?

Trump denounced the supremacists so many times but the lie is still simmering in the heads of liars.

 

He basically speaks in the news media catchphrases.

 

LOL!!!

White supremacists DO know where Trump stands.

 

There are lots of fine people everywhere.

The catch with Trump and his comments is that the event in question had a LOT of people who were ABOLUTELY NOT fine people. And, THAT is what the issue was about.

So, your interpretation could not be more silly.

 

not hardly, they at least tried to work across the isle

"Obama, GOP's Snowe work on health care compromise"

http://www.cnn.com/2009/POLITICS/09/02/health.care.compromise/

"The compromise plan would lack a government-run public health insurance option favored by Obama, but would leave the door open to adding that provision down the road under an idea proposed by Snowe, the sources said."

 

Are you willing to forgoe the entire military, the Feds role in highways, bridges and the rest to pay for health care for all?

 

don't have to, it's not either or

universal health care insurance will cost Americans less money than the current system

 

Have you ever been to Charlottesville, VA?

Well sir, I have been there. I assure you that there are hundreds of thousands of fine people there.
Not every body is Antifa who are not fine people.

Trump was crystal clear he rejects racists and supremacists of all colors.

 

I am not mollified at all by your claim.