Does anyone still believe Natural Herd Immunity has been the right solution since da pandemic began?

Yes, I agree with all of that. This was an episode of debate against what I said?

 

We should all yank ourselves as YOU, ME, and THEM have been wrong more than twice.

IMO, Fauci should retire.

 

In the beginning of the pandemic, we were all listening to these wise scientists thinking they had our best interest of living. We were wrong. The Fauci's of the government are making massive incomes from their inhumane directives while many went broke. And, they continue to do so with pointless and unscientific tyrannical directives upon us. Fauci needs jail time for lying to the public over and over causing all sorts of harm that cannot be reversed. To children especially with their mask mandates. And, the fear that they have caused to adults as well as teenagers.

 

The vaccine DOES NOT produce immunity it only lessens the effect in some and others will still die. The newest vaccine data shows that even after two pokes the vaxxed are asymptomatic and spread the virus at high levels!

Many doctors concur that herd immunity can not possible be had with these vaccines..

 

Nonsense! The human immune system once acclimated reduces the risk of spread.. On the other hand even with vaccine boosted the vaxxed are still and in some studies more infectious..

Seems to me that pretty significate on it's own!

 

Since when has it been BASIC to need booster shots X3 for a virus? I agree once a year, even every couple of years for MILLION and MILLION but every 4 months for some?

Seems like a failed vaccine to me, on just the basic knowledge you are providing about it

 

One has to understand immunity. A vaccine can't stop a virus from entering your body nor can it prevent a virus from contacting a live cell so that it can be reproduced. What a vaccine can do is cause the immune system to develop antibodies which can deal with the virus. A war of sorts ensues between the development of antibodies and the reproduction of the virus. The scoreboard for the war is the viral load or the amount of virus in the body. The vaccine gives the immune system a head start by causing it to produce antibodies for a virus it hasn't encountered. If the viral load is large, there will be more severe symptoms and if it is small the infection will be less severe. A vaccinated person for the same strain of the virus for which it was developed should have an infection without symptoms in the best case or at least an infection with less severe symptoms. That is all immunity means.

A vaccine is not a brick wall that a virus cannot penetrate. It is a means to help the body win the war against viral load. If the antibodies are there in enough volume and the virus is not resistant to it, the immune system will will win the war quickly and the infected person will never know the war went on. If a resistant strain of virus arrives, the war will take longer and the symptoms will be more severe.

The reason is that viruses like covid mutate constantly. When resistant mutations occur the vaccines don't work as well and probably will need to be replaced by new ones. Viral mutation occurs much faster than the pharmaceutical companies can fight new strains. So the winners of the viral load war will go back and forth. It is likely that a strain will arrive so resistant that everyone will will have to deal with the infection. At that point we should have enough herd immunity to put the virus in the background. It isn't likely to disappear but it will arise less often. We will wind up living with it just like we live with other corona viruses.

 

Really? Then why two more boosters I contracted COVID in 2019, haven't needed any sort of booster, and still test positive for the antibodies.. If the vaccine trick the immune system to produce antibody then why are the vaxxed having to trick it again in 4 months and again "undetermined" again

 

I didn't say a word about boosters. I just provided some information about how viral diseases work. There is no reason for a person with natural immunity to be vaccinated. I've said that many times in other threads. Don't confuse me with government. I am not government.

 

Yup, and I asked you why a vaccine "This vaccine" must have several booster if it works like all others we take for flu and immunization? Clearly there are some odd points to address with this vaccine. Doesn't prevent contraction, spread or in some cases death, and clearly has a tragic protection window as short as 90 dat from vaccination! Seems to me that that this mystery vax has two primary rolls, one is to help people's natural immune systems to do what they would have done regardless and two make some people very VERY rich!

The biggest read flag I see here is from the very start the medical and statistician's purposely left out what number of the population was and has always been naturally immunized from the very start! WHAT logical reason other than data manipulation would this be ignored? How moronic are people to essentially line up for a experimental drug when they were never even likely to contract the dieses?

The above is a considerable amount of time to ignore who and who hasn't survived and developed stronger natural immunity, would you not agree? And why in everything that is science and logic would you subject them to a experimental drug for something they may never contract again and if do be very mild from that point on?

 

Nobody "must" have a booster. It works like the others Flu is a mature virus having been around for centuries. It visits seasonally and each year we a have new strain. We vaccinate for last year's strain and get mixed results. The same thing is happening here except this is a novel virus. We are vaccinating people with the delta strain for an alpha strain virus. It gets mixed results. It is better than nothing but doesn't work any better than any other flu vaccine. Remember covid is a man made strain of the SARS virus. SARS is a strain of influenza. You need to go back and re-read what I wrote. I covered this quickly and without much detail but I did cover it.

Same with every vaccine. Vaccines don't prevent anything. They cause the immune system to develop antibodies. It is the antibodies that cure the infection. The vaccine gives the immune system a head start so that, when the virus arrives, the immune system has a good chance of quickly winning the viral load war I mentioned earlier. If we still had the original virus the vaccine would win the war quickly and allow the host to recover without symptoms or with minor symptoms. But we have a new strain that has some resistance to the vaccine. So the immune system doesn't win the war as quickly and there are more symptoms. It could get worse as new strains develop. Vaccines are not magic. They are a tool to help the body deal with an infection. In fact they are the only tool for viral infections. Some bacterial infections, for instance, can be handled with drugs. Not viral infections.

There is no doubt that vaccination has reduced hospitalization and death rates with the delta strain. So the vaccines are still valuable even though they are obsolescent.

I have explained this before. Government ignores natural immunity because it can't verify it. It can verify vaccination. There is no reason for a naturally immune person to have a vaccine but government doesn't know whether or not a person has recovered from covid and it isn't willing to take people's word for it. It isn't following the science. It is doing what is in its best interest. Surprise, surprise.

Everyone who has recovered from a covid infection is naturally immune. They already have that head start on building antibodies. No need to vaccinate. Any doctor will tell you that. Vaccinating naturally immune people is politics, not medical science. By the way the vaccines are not experimental drugs. They are clinically tested and approved. That doesn't make them perfect but it makes them something other than experimental.

 

Wrong to be even 80% protected you will need a booster.

Nothing more needed to follow this

But has it? How do you know it wasn't simply natural immunity? According to the red cross 20% of the blood donated by the unvaccinated "They ask" tested positive for antibodies. So now, since the data you and many other don't include antibody tests for free haw do you really make a determination other than being told what to believe

Not true, not remotely true!

Are you really sure you are up on this stuff? I have been tested twice "At my request" for the antibody test, once in April 2020.. I mean really bro

OK

 

Protected from what?

This comment responds to a post I didn't make. You should respond to the person who posted it.

I'll be darned. Are you planning to share the truth with me? Vaccinating the naturally immune is not settled medical science. It is politics. CDC claims it makes a significant improvement in immunity but that disagrees with the opinions of doctors in the private sector. Since I take the the opinions of private sector physicians above government physicians, my opinion is the only one that common sense provides. For what other reason would government ignore natural immunity in its response to the virus?

Again you respond to me about a post I did not make.

 

Lmao, MARTIANS

Your post

MY REPLY

YOUR MISTAKE

The only one that can do that would be Fauci, MSNBCNN and other sources that cater to what you are willing to believe..

 

I must have said something that angered you.

What you said earlier is that I should have cut the post short after the first sentence. The reason I didn't do that is that I needed to explain to other people what vaccines actually do. It was a way of protecting others from your bad science.

No, it was yours. You are the one who responded to me by criticizing posts made by other people.

My beliefs are based on experience, education, common sense and medical science. I pay no attention to liars like Fauci and I can't recall ever watching MSNBCCNN. Your beliefs are based on hysterical fears of others. For some reason you think I support government's position and actions. In fact I do not. I support what physicians in the private sector say. I do not support fear mongering blogs.

If your reason for rejecting a virus is about the fact that the virus itself isn't all that dangerous for young healthy you, then I agree. If it is because you think the vaccine is more dangerous than the virus then you are absolutely wrong.

 

Angry at what

Are you sure you even made this one

Well after ready thru all your posts and even the ones you forget you post, I have some issue agreeing with this

Again, after reading thru your replies, I have issues agreeing with this.. MPO the TYPE of information you put forth is one sided, you don't and have never mentioned some tests that should allow some people to never need to be vaccinated.. All data forward is skewed and inaccurate, a big part of the puzzle is being withheld and you don't seem to recognize that

 

Then we disagree.

 

Yup

 

This article is a year old.

Former Pfizer VP: ‘No need for vaccines,’ ‘the pandemic is effectively over’
https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/f...or-vaccines-the-pandemic-is-effectively-over/

If their goal had really been to stop the virus and get the pandemic under control, they would have simply used ivermectin on everybody.
http://politicalforum.com/index.php...bout-ivermectin.591850/page-9#post-1072964296

The vaccine turned out to be a bad idea.

https://thecovidblog.com/?s=blood+clots
https://thecovidblog.com/category/vaccine-deaths/
https://thecovidblog.com/category/vaccine-adverse-effects/
https://t.me/s/covidvaccineinjuries
https://healthimpactnews.com/2021/c...ons-to-get-the-shot-and-their-message-to-you/
https://www.c19vaxreactions.com/real-video-stories.html
https://1000covidstories.com/
https://vernoncoleman.org/articles/how-many-people-are-vaccines-killing

 

From day and be, I've always said that hiding from the virus was not the way forward. All you can do in these cases is social distance, mask and vaccine. It's nature's way of controlling numbers, whether we agree with that thought or not.

 

You're right, masking seemed to make a huge difference the first time around. Oh wait, no it didn't!!

 

Masks only offer some benefit, as in, they can reduce the droplets from the mouth. That's why they were mandated 2nd time round.

 

That's what this surgeon says at the 26:40 time mark of this video.

https://www.newstarget.com/2021-09-27-dr-lee-merritt-covid-is-not-the-real-enemy.html

 

https://www.newstarget.com/

Seems legit. Not.

 

It appears that, in this case, it wasn't nature. It was a virology laboratory.