Religion is Silly Fairy Tales

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  1. Giftedone

    Giftedone Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Now you are projecting - tis you who have been claiming to speak for God - I have been telling you what Jesus says ... and you go running to Paul - claiming you know God's plan - no regard for the teachings of Jesus

    You the one making stuff up - pretending it is from Jesus -
     
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    Naw. You're essentially saying that you have to die to see or know there is a heaven. But that's not what Jesus said. For gosh sakes, we all die. He said you have to be reborn of water and spirit to see or enter heaven. It is the very basic first step towards eventual salvation. Faith in Jesus Christ as the savior, repentance, baptism and the reception of Gods spirit by one having the authority to do so. And why do you criticize Paul. He was called by Jesus in a visitation and became converted. How does one go from persecutor to then professing the very thing he thought wicked, thus condemning the former wickedness he thought right. Why do you so casually dismiss with animus a man who beheld divinity and who then consecrated all his energies to that cause as an Apostle?
     
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    Giftedone Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    You are the one putting words in the mouth .. claiming you know something for sure when you don't. Reborn of Water and the Spirit coud refer to many things... and there is zero mention of Faith by Jesus - which you keep harping on as a requirment.

    I have not criticized Paul. Romans 13 was a smart thing to do - "Authorities put here by God for our own good and should not be rebelled against" - Trying to keep the Roman's at bay. It is just not inspired. This is Pauls word - not God's word.

    Stating Paul knew almost nothing about Jesus - is a simple statement of fact. That Jesus contradicts Sola Fide is a statment of fact - as does James - brother of Jesus and leader of the Church of Jerusalem - a Church which Paul was not a part of - is also statment of fact.

    Heck .. even Paul contradicts Sola Fide for that matter.

    You want to claim that Paul had a visitation - Fine - that does not make every word he wrote "inspired". Paul was not "the Logos" yet you want to treat Paul as if he was - putting the words of Paul before that of Jesus.

    If you think putting Jesus before Paul is a condemnation of Paul - I suppose I am guilty on that front.
     
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    I wonder if these mythical religious icons ever visited other planets? I mean there has to be trillions (quadrillions?) of planets in this Universe that could sustain life. So in your mythical religion, what makes this planet (Earth) so special? Ok please continue the fairy tale.
     
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    Earth is special for me because I live here. The God of the Universe created all of time and space and the rules that govern it. So has God visited other planets? We'll know in time...God's time.
     
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    It is only myth to the blind, as well as an affront to the proud, and silliness to the ignorant. Granted it is hope to the needy, but yet also to the sincere, and a certainty to those so blessed to know. What is so special about earth in the vast potential of the universe? What is so special about you on an earth teeming with people?
     
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    Really? You're from Earth? I would have never guessed. What a coincidence though, we are actually from the same planet. Well in that sense it's special to everyone on this planet but I wasn't asking what is special about Earth to YOU or anyone else living on this planet.

    In fairy tale land, I suppose anything is possible even a mythical being creating time and space and all the rules.

    But if he did all that in fairy tale land why will "we" have to wait to know if he visited other planets? I mean if he manufactured all the planets you would think it stands to reason he also visited them all no? What kind of time were you thinking anyway? A couple of hours, more?

    But in any case, to get back to my original question which you failed to answer, I was actually asking what according to the fairy tale makes this planet so special to these religious icons (not to YOU)? I mean out of quadrillions of planets over about 13.7 billion years (give or take) according to science, what is so special about Earth, which has only been around for about 4.5 billion years (give or take), according to science?
     
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    Whatever that means. No it's myth, something to accept on faith alone, same as any fairy tale.

    Yeah I guess it is wishful thinking for some. Blessed to know? Know what?

    In comparison to quadrillions of planets that have existed over a span of about 13.7 billion years, many of which also have and are likely teeming with life? Yes, what is so special to these mythical icons? That's what I'm asking. It sounds like you're repeating my question, that's not an answer.
     
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    Anything a mere mortal could express about an ultimate creator could never amount to more than metaphor.
     
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    I just told you but if you can't understand, oh well., that doesn't mean much to me.
     
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    Well, we clearly have different understandings. I hope that yours lead you where you want to go.
     
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    Everything begins with faith or belief. To get from point A to point B, to catch a fish, and so on. That doesn't make it a myth unless everything is a myth. Some are blessed to know that God is real and that he lives. But it begins with faith, followed by work and sacrifice.
     
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    I am there mate - sfar as religion goes... but your not - for exactly the reason you have been trying to pin on me.. which is interesting in a wierd kiind of theraputic way.

    The difference between our two perspectives is this .. you have God in a box - got it all figured out - details and everything .. here is how it is.

    I don't. So at the end of days - when before the scales of Justice - no measurment stick I have... other than the Golden Rule .. and this is not just from Jesus - but also from James "the Royal Law" and in a blessed but rare union .. even our friend Paul can be found to quote this teaching from Rabbi Hillel .. recevied by Jesus as a child.

    But .. the famous Rabbi 110BC - 10 AD .. Old fart ! .. was not the first ... Buddha has this rule .. Hinduism it is also the main tenet .. Hamarrabi's Law Code .. divinely inspired - sent down from the "Most High" - YHWH's rival Marduk .. or one of the other Sons of El.

    Given this .. When I look out there .. I say the Universe is trying to tell you something .. Be it Jesus .. or YHWH .. or Marduk - or Enlil .. God of Abraham .. and Jesus .. and Melchizedek Jesus counterpart in the OT -

    One Rule .. simple on the surface - but not so simple :)
     
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    It's you who didn't understand the question. But I understand why, we speak different languages.

    It's ok, language barrier and all.
     
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    Yeah. The Universe was created when I was born and will cease to exist when I die. The Universe must be a myth then.

    Everyone is entitled to his/her beliefs, no matter what they are. Who they're sacrificing in order to enforce their beliefs is another matter. I'm blessed to know that if a god is real, it doesn't matter whether I believe it or not. I'm also blessed to have figured out well after my religious indoctrination that god is one of man's fairy tale inventions. Ask the Greys if they bought the Jesus story or the Moses story.
     
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    I can only tell you that God is real and that he lives. But we have all forgotten him. My theory is that our birth and mortal senses have over whelmed or over shadowed our spiritual awareness to the point that what remains is a slim conscience within the prevalence of our mortal senses. And I must suppose that it is part of Gods plan in this probationary life to test, try, and challenge us as to what we will become, and as a segue to the gift of salvation thru the sacrifice of Jesus Christ and rescue from the mess we make of ourselves. The universe, the greys and all else is irrelevant to me.
     
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    I have not robbed you or deceived you or led you into captivity. I have told you the truth and plied reason as if you were me. I can do no more than that. I can only tell you that God lives, and that he is the same God of yesteryear and forever. That is my stanchion, cornerstone, and heart.
     
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    While I certainly do not share your belief here, I'm fine with your belief that there is a god.

    The real questions start when you want to use your religious beliefs as a justification for using government to control others.
     
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    You can tell me anything you like. I was told all sorts of fairy tales in religious school. The difference is I was just a child then and I had no reason to question my teachers. As I grew up I learned many things I wasn't taught by them so the fairy tales I was taught started to sound more and more like fairy tales through education and maturity.

    And that's what religion can do to some people, consume their lives in every way so that nothing else matters. For me that's akin to slavery but I suppose if one is content with that, it is their chosen prerogative.
     
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    And when has Injeun said he wanted to do that, or me either for that matter?
     
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    Well, I suggest you stay away from religion then.
     
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    Never, I hope!

    I think it's positive to know where the line is.

    In my opinion, too many on this board simply attack religion, which I think is counterproductive at best.

    There are important ideas to be gleaned from every religion. It's better to focus on that while keeping the line in mind.
     
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    Asking for empirical evidence to support supernatural claims is an attack?
     
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    Yes, that is what it has become. The leading religions were all originally based on some mysterious characteristics of mind. Under certain stressful conditions the mind will present perceptions of things that aren't actually there, or deeper truths about what the human psyche is, or other activities that were not explainable 2000 years ago or even 100 years ago. Meditation, for example, can produce some of these perceptions. Stimulation of the temporal lobe of the brain can also produce some certain ones. Personally, I have experienced some of those that can be produced by meditation. But these explanations being unknown 2000 years ago, it was fertile ground for religions to develop. So the leading religions can all be understood to say the same things in different words once the insights have been "received" since they all refer to the same activities of the same kind of mind .... the human mind. Hence, religions flourished. Then religions were transformed into dogma over the years just as Buddha said. People don't normally have access to these activities of mind unless the right kind of stress is first applied and few have the patience to work at developing the technique of applying the right stress, some of which even for a skilled practitioner can take an hour or more to have effect.

    So without access to the insights, the average person will work to apply a literal interpretation to their normal physical experience, which is the wrong experience to which it should be applied. And therefore the accepted meaning of the bible becomes more and more literal, shallow, unrelated to the intent of the one who originated the religions, and corrupted.

    Naturally governments seized on the opportunity to use corrupted religion to their own purposes and churches, not knowing any better, began using it to make money.

    Give to the Freedom From Religion Foundation.
     
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    Thanks but I don't need your suggestions for that, it's something I did decades ago, broke my chains.
     
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