Russiagate media critics react to Sussmann indictment: 'Regurgitation' of collusion claims discredit

It sure as hell didn’t happen during Trump’s administration. He called Hillary a crook and accused her of pulling off “the crime of the century” but when he got up to bat for four straight years, he and his lackeys in the AGs office didn’t do jackshit....Why didn’t they indict her?

“Out of kindness, I suppose”....Townes Van Zandt

 

What's there to refute?

If you have anything to refute the official report that "Russia's goals were to ... denigrate Secretary Clinton... Putin and the Russian Government developed a clear preference for President-elect Trump," what is your superior authority?

Two Republican-led committees confirming the FBI. NSA, and CIA intelligence is definitive enough for me.

 

https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2019/oct/28/facebook-posts/fact-checking-hillary-clintons-ties-russia/

 

I don’t think you realize how extensive the accusation is. Something like 27 pages. It identifies certain people that are involved in the conspiracy.

 

From your own source.
Hillary Clinton "paid for a Russian dossier to win an election"

“Fusion GPS was originally hired by the Washington Free Beacon, a conservative media website. The Democratic National Committee, through its law firm Perkins Coie and for the benefit of the Clinton campaign, hired the opposition research firm to collect information after Trump won the Republican nomination. Then, Fusion GPS hired Steele to produce memos on Trump’s ties to Russia.”
Bill Clinton "made $500k for a Russian speech"
“This is accurate. The source of the claim is the 2015 book "Clinton Cash" by author and political consultant Peter Schweizer. During an April 2015 interview about the book on Fox News Sunday, he said something that caught our eye: "Of the 13 (Bill) Clinton speeches that fetched $500,000 or more, only two occurred during the years his wife was not secretary of state."

 

Schweizer is senior editor-at-large of far-right Breitbart News. His book was funded by the Mercer Family Foundation. It is what one would expect. There is not even a pretense of objectivity.

I don't find ideologues of either extreme credible, and find Politifact useful in pointing out the crap.

"Several journalists have criticized the book as containing "leaps of logic,"[25]"draws some conclusions that go beyond the available evidence,"[26] "[p]arts of Schweitzer's reporting fell apart under scrutiny,"[27] and "Schweizer is trafficking in speculation."[28]​

 

That’s your rebuttal, several journalists disagree?

Wow. Probably just a coincidence, but.........
Clinton Foundation’s revenue hit 15-year low after 2016 presidential election
Open Secrets
https://www.opensecrets.org/news/2018/12/clinton-foundation-revenue-low/

 

As noted, the ideologue has been cited for his leaps of logic, his drawing conclusions that go beyond the available evidence, his trafficking in speculation, and for his reporting falling apart under scrutiny.

I prefer journalists who aspire to objectivity, not those who advocate for one ideological ilk or another.

If Schweitzer peddles what you crave, so be it.

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DOJ had already investigated Hillary's crimes and chose not to prosecute, all before Trump was president. The DOJ never reopens an already concluded case.

 

Of course it is.

 

Your use of Politifact, a political censorship cohort of Facebook, for validation doesn't cut it.

 

There was absolutely nothing preventing Sessions or Barr from investigating, arresting and indicting Hillary Clinton Rod. Trump’s campaign was mainly based on Hillary being a criminal and should be “locked up”. They accused Obama’s AG Loretta Lynch of being a criminal who helped Clinton in her crimes. If they really believed that they would have definitely tried to prove it. However, they realized that those charges were nothing more than campaign slanders and there was nothing to prosecute. The new DOJ headed by Garland is not prevented from investigating Trump or his DOJ, in fact there are indications that the new DOJ is investigating Trump’s actions as President and also his crooked DOJ under Barr. Your assertion is false.

 

Paranoidal conspiracies aside, Sussmann faces one count on a false statement charge. I have no reason to care whether he is adjudged guilty or innocent.

While I recognize the overwhelming evidence from multiple legitimate sources that Russia interfered in the 2016 U.S. presidential election to hurt Clinton and help Trump, I never thought Putin's actively collaborating with Trump in their mutual objective was in any way necessary.

 

Believe the DOJ reopens concluded cases if you wish. I don't care.

 

Conspiracies metastasize. The fact that Clinton was never indicted for anything at any time during the Trump regime, despite his incessant raving about her criminality, may simply confirm the Cry Baby Loser's boast that he only appointed the "best people."

 

The Clinton campaign paid for the Steele Dossier: Since we are splitting hairs to spare Shillary Clinton, that would be technically incorrect, I was the DNC who paid for disinformation from Russian intelligence.

Bill Clinton got paid half a million dollars for speaking fees from a Russian bank. That is absolutely true.

The claim that the Clinton foundation got $145 from the Business connected to the Russian government is false, the Clinton foundation did in fact revive around 4 million from business connected to the Russian government.

And, donations for the Clinton foundation have dried up, since Satan’s grandmother is no longer in a position of power.

 

To clarify,

The Democratic National Committee (DNC) and Hillary Clinton’s presidential campaign partially funded the investigation that produced the controversial “Steele Dossier,” according to a 24 October 2017 report by the Washington Post ... Both CNN and Fox News said they had independently confirmed the Post‘s reporting...

Previous reports by the New York Times and others had stated that unnamed “Democratic supporters of Hillary Clinton” contributed funding to the opposition research on Trump (third from left below) that became known as the "Steele Dossier"

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The research was actually initiated in 2015 by “a wealthy Republican donor who strongly opposed Mr. Trump,” according to the New York Times, but when that source of funding dried up the San Francisco law firm Perkins Coie brokered a deal to keep it going on behalf of the Democrats.

https://www.snopes.com/news/2017/10/25/dnc-clinton-campaign-pay-trump-russia-steele-dossier/​

I have seen no reputable source that indicate either "Clinton foundation got $145 from the Business connected to the Russian government", nor that "the Clinton foundation did in fact revive around 4 million from business connected to the Russian government."

Was Bill Clinton paid for speaking by a Russian bank? Yes.

Here’s a list of all the speeches for which Clinton received a fee of $500,000 or higher, including the year, location, host and actual fee:

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   • 2003 -- Japan, $500,000 Sakura Asset Management (Japanese finance corporation) (A note: This speech was canceled, but the fee went to Clinton’s presidential library foundation);
   • 2008 -- California, $500,000, Power Within (life coach Anthony Robbins’ brand);
   • 2010 -- Russia, $500,000, Renaissance Capital (Russian finance corporation);
   • 2010 -- United Arab Emirates, $500,000, Novo Nordisk (Danish pharmaceutical company);
   • 2011 -- Nigeria, $700,000, THISDAY (newspaper)

https://www.politifact.com/factchec...hecking-clinton-cash-author-claim-about-bill/
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Michael Flynn, having far less cache than an ex-President, was only paid tens of thousands of dollars by Russians.

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How much did Putin spend to damage Clinton and boost Trump in 2016 (as confirmed by the FBI, NSA, CIA, and two Republican-led Senate Intelligence Committees - https://www.intelligence.senate.gov/publications/report-select-committee-intelligence-united-states-senate-russian-active-measures)?

I can find no reliable figures.​

 

It has been stated that the Russians spent close to a million on their disinformation campaign. Democrats, including the Clinton campaign spent over a billion trying to get into the White House. On marching orders from the Clinton campaign, her cronies in media gave Trump hundreds of millions of dollars in free air time, because that’s in fact who Hillary Clinton wanted to run against in the general.

Hilarious homoerotic Russian memes of Bernie Sanders didn’t get Trump elected over Clinton.
Hillary Clinton got Trump elected over Hillary Clinton, with the help of a antiquated Electoral College, and a little bit of help from #resistance hero James Comey.

I know it’s hard for you folks to comprehend the fact that someone as unfit, and morally flawed as Trump became president. But, if you supported somebody as unfit, and morally flawed as Hillary Clinton in the Democratic primaries, you share responsibility for Trump becoming President.

Just saying.

 

Speculation as to how many rubles Putin allocated to his covert operation to help Trump and hurt Clinton aside (Neither the two Republican intelligence committees, nor the CIA, nor the NSA, nor the FBI that found that to be the case) indicated an amount. No doubt, some portion was directed to generally undermining U.S. democracy by savaging legitimate, certified election results.

 

I will say this Clinton achieved her goal with you wow......

 

I don't really care about Clinton, but am not surprised that Trump, during his four yeas, could contrive no pretext to "Lock her up!" He blows gas a lot.

I rely mainly on the two Republican-led Senate intelligence committees that confirmed the FBI, NSA, and CIA's determination that Russia interfered in the 2016 U.S. presidential election to hurt Clinton and help Trump.

 

Yeah, you’re wrong. If you have a problem with it, take it up with Mueller, because it’s in his report.
I was wrong, because it was a million a month, which is still peanuts compared to what Hillary’s campaign, and democrats were spending

 

If you know of any credible source that discredits the conclusions of two Republican-led Senate intelligence committees and the FBI, NSA, and CIA concerning Russia's interfering in the 2016 U.S. presidential election to hurt Clinton and help Trump, please provide a link to it.

 

... During the Republican primaries, a research firm called Fusion GPS was hired by The Washington Free Beacon, a conservative website, to unearth potentially damaging information about Trump. The Free Beacon — which was funded by a major donor supporting Trump’s rival for the party’s nomination, Senator Marco Rubio of Florida — told Fusion GPS to stop doing research on Trump in May 2016, as Trump was clinching the Republican nomination.

After Trump secured the nomination, Fusion GPS was hired on behalf of Mrs. Clinton’s campaign and the D.N.C. by their law firm, Perkins Coie, to compile research about Trump, his businesses and associates — including possible connections with Russia.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/10/25/us/politics/steele-dossier-trump-expained.html
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Mueller's report concluded that the investigation did not find sufficient evidence that the campaign "coordinated or conspired with the Russian government in its election-interference activities."

Two Republican-led Senate investigative committees confirming the findings of the FBI, NSA, and CIA that Russia interfered in the 2016 U.S. presidential nomination to help Trump and hurt Clinton is a separate matter.

 

The Russian - Trump connection has shown to be a construct of Hillary Clinton and the Democrats. Sussman's indictment is further proof. Yet, you go back to information proven to be false. That's TDS...