Australia records 10 times more deaths following Covid shots.....

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  1. eschaff

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    I'll bet the sun shined on all of them in the days and weeks before they died also. Obviously the sun killed them.
     
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    ....and?

    People who haven't been vaccinated suffer serious illness and death at many times the rate of people who have been vaccinated. In Israel about 15% of the population are unvaccinated yet make up 65% of serious cases & 60% of deaths.

    https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news...pfizer-booster-serious-cases-delta-1.10245471
     
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    And the Falsehoods and Absurdities can always be depended upon to be believed
    right off the bat without question by the SHEEP who compliantly eat what they are fed.
    ..................................................................................................................... :icon_shithappens:

    So have a LOUSY day - as it is now projected that YOU are going to need 3, maybe 4,
    maybe monthly Boosters as YOUR Natural Immunity Systems are slowly Destroyed.

    So Good Luck to all YOU Geneticly Modified Organisms ! -- YOU'RE going to need it ! -
    A
    s it seems time only makes the STATS worse for YOU


    UK GOVERNMENT REPORT:
    VAST MAJORITY OF DELTA VARIANT DEATHS ARE VACCINATED
    PEOPLE, NOT UNVACCINATED PEOPLE

    A Public Health England Technical briefing released in September 2021 entitled “SARS-CoV-2 variants
    of concern and variants under investigation in England”
    has some findings that do not bode well for
    vaccine supporters. The numbers show vaccinated people contracted and died of the so-called “Delta”
    variant of Coronavirus at a far greater rate than unvaccinated people between February 1, 2021 and
    .......................................................................................................................... September 12, 2021.


    https://www.blacklistednews.com/art...s-are-vaccinated-people-not-unvaccinated.html

    And then the goal posts move again
    PFIZER CEO SAYS “NORMAL LIFE”
    WON’T RETURN WITHOUT REGULAR COVID VACCINATIONS

    https://www.blacklistednews.com/art...l-life-wont-return-without-regular-covid.html


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    1) That's not the way it works. In any given large cohort (and Australians have recently been mass vaccinated), some people will die - of something - within the months following their vaccine. Just as some people will die within the months following their last pizza with pineapple. That's because people are always dying. Besides, tying an adverse event to a vaccine three or four months down the track, is virtually impossible. Granted it's more likely with a vaccine than a pineapple pizza, not by a huge amount.

    2) Again, no. The variation is related to individual physionomy and general health status.
     
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    You need to look at the "per 100,000" numbers and not the totals. In a highly vaccinated population the raw numbers of who gets sick and/or dies will probably lean towards the vaccinated simply because there aren't that many unvaccinated people left.
     
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    Directly from the links in your link but for tech briefings 21 and 22 :
    For the period: 16th August to 29 August 2021 for 50 years and younger:
    Number of deaths of Vaccinated = 13
    Number of deaths of unvaccinated = 27

    BUT: 80%of the population are vaccinated hence 4 times the pool of people translates to:
    Relative number of deaths of Vaccinated = 13
    Relative number of deaths of unvaccinated = 27*4 = 108

    HENCE Unvaccinated 50 years and under are 8 times more likely to die than the vaccinated even with just one dose

    And
    For the period: 16th August to 29 August 2021 for 50 years and older:
    Number of deaths of Vaccinated = 437
    Number of deaths of unvaccinated = 119

    BUT: 88% of that population are vaccinated hence 7.3 times the pool of people translates to:
    Relative number of deaths of Vaccinated = 437
    Relative number of deaths of unvaccinated = 119*7.3 = 868

    HENCE Unvaccinated 50 years and over are nearly twice as likely to die than the vaccinated even with just one dose
     
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    Wrong about what?

    If you want to lap up nonsense from known propaganda outlets, you are free to do so and I am free to point out the fact that the source is in business of spreading fake news.

    Being 'infected' is becomes irrelevant if it does not make you sick, which is where the vaccine comes in. This is why practically all Covid patients in hospitals are unvaccinated people.
     
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    I was in the military, I received LOTS of shots. I have taken many flu shots over the years as well. None of them affected me like the pfizer vaccine did. I was so sick, I had to miss work.
     
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    Flu-like symptoms are a known side effect of the vaccine. I know several people who felt pretty bad for a day, but yours is the worst side effect that I've heard. Personally, my wife, older son, and I all had a sore arm. My wife and I were slightly fatigued for a day. Hopefully my younger son won't have many side effects when he becomes eligible.
     
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    you can still get and spread covid after being vaccinated
    so no the covid vaccination doesn't protect others from the spread
    you being vaccinated doesn't protect anyone including yourself
     
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    This is incorrect. You're much less likely the catch the disease if vaccinated than otherwise. Yes, you can catch and spread it when vaccinated, but it's much less likely to happen.
     
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    S1: no one said otherwise
    S2: yes it does, vaccinated people are contagious for a lot less time than unvaccinated hence does protect others from the spread
    S3: Vaccinated under 50's are eight times less likely to die from Covid than unvaccinated
     
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    How much less time? Are the viral loads different during the time a vaccinated person is contagious? LOTS of unknowns still and you making flat claims speaks volumes about you.
     
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    There's nothing definitive yet, but preliminary data are suggesting that vaccinated people clear the virus in five or six days while unvaccinated take seven to ten days. It's also looking as though the viral load while contagious between vaccinated and unvaccinated is very similar.
     
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    Yep speaks volumes that I back up my claims unlike you
    https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa2107058
     
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    I think most people have at least some reaction to the shot, but experiencing some reaction is a good thing because it means the shot is working.. I felt crappy that day I got my second shot, but nothing to get worked up over. Glad you got your shots and you got over the reaction.
     
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    I've had lots of shots that (I assume) are working and none of them made me ill. I had a fever for almost 3 days with the second pfizer shot, the day after being the worst. I was in so much discomfort (fever, chills, aches) that I didn't sleep. I'm glad that you didn't have any symptoms to get worked up over but many MANY others do. And many others, like me, have already recovered from covid. The shot is very possibly not even necessary for us.
     
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    If YOU had bothered to do any actual RESEARCH before fallaciously alleging that there are "lots of unknowns" you would have found out for YOURSELF that those who are vaccinated are ONLY contagious for 3 days compared to 10 days for the UNVACCINATED.

    https://www.usatoday.com/story/news...ted-unvaccinated-what-experts-say/5488398001/

    The DELTA variant has a HIGHER viral than the ORIGINAL virus so comparing viral loads is IRRELEVANT when it comes to the TIME factor that YOU raised.

    What matters is the 70% REDUCTION in the TIME that the virus can be spread by those who are vaccinated as opposed to those who are NOT vaccinated.
     
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    Such a relevant post, but not quite as relevant as VAERS and Yellow Card data are. Not nearly as relevant as USPO records or what Reiner Fuellmich has found, sorry.
     
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    What you would prefer to ignore is the harm caused by the spike protein, and it's no wonder. Many recipients prefer to ignore that knowledge, and I don't blame them. Still, ignoring it does not contribute to rational adult conversations. If I had a load of graphene oxide in my body, I wouldn't want to talk about it either. :peace:
     
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    I won't be taking any. They are all toxic bioweapons.
     
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    Here is the first paragraph of the disclaimer on the VAERS site, which is on the home page ...
     
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    Your point? Can you offer anything besides stale and well known information?

    Are you aware of the origin of VAERS?
     
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    I just want to make sure that everyone is aware that drawing any conclusions about the safety of the vaccine from these reports is a mistake, and that that isn't my opinion. It's a fact that's pointed out on the site itself. There could be a million reports of vaccine related deaths on the VAERS site and it may be that not a single one of those reported deaths has anything to do with the vaccine. You, and many others, seem to be putting a lot of stock in the site, and you shouldn't, especially concerning this vaccine considering how much it's been politicized.
     
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    Giving you the benefit of the doubt, I would like to point out some history for you.

    In 1986 Ronald Reagan signed into law the National Childhood Vaccine Injury Compensation Act, after Congress sent it to him. Congress generated that bill in response to lobbying by pharma/vaccine manufacturers. The law granted manufacturers immunity from liability for any dangers and harms their products might deliver.

    Pretty sweet, eh? Automobile manufacturers wish they had such immunity from liability for their products. Or Big Tobacco.

    One of the things the Act delivered was VAERS, a way to give lip service to the concerns of citizens taking the shots. Notably, and unlike the British system, the US system is completely voluntary.

    Yes, its data is not very accurate, but most everybody agrees, including Harvard over the years, that the data is grossly under-counted.

    In case you don't know, they've found that spike proteins injected into animals kills them. In case you don't know, graphene oxide has been found in the cocktail.

    Anecdotally, I now know 7 who've died from the shots.
     
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