Coming to your town: 85,000 more Haitians.... Jpe, what the hell are you doing to America?

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  1. gorfias

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    Former Republican here: I'd support that! I think there already is similar laws (likely for a larger business) that aren't being enforced. Lots of laws that could help are not being enforced.
    One Reason Trump won the Nomination in 2016 is, our establishment was a huge part of our problem. Our 2008 nominee, beloved by the establishment, after the 1986 Amnesty failure, was a lead on saying, "Hey! Let's do that again!"
    I pretty much think we're screwed at this time. Not sure I'll even vote in this new, enjoy the decline, environment.
     
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    spiritgide Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    You're half right.

    First- I'm not partisan without cause- I have no problem with a rational person having different views of how things should be done.
    I DO have a problem with irrational people insisting that hogwash be on the same par in a discussion as common sense.

    Second- I agree; we all have a personal responsibility to make America better. That is not solving everyone's problems so much as not causing those problems.
    The foundation of this task, the essence of it, is to allow each of us to do our best according to what abilities we have- not to force compliance with someone else's demands.

    Funny how that same view (Make America Great Again) is reviled and mocked by the left in general.
     
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    Robert Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Hannity and Carlson do not radicalize any viewer.

    Trump is the first president I ever saw the media and Democrats trying to overthrow when in office.
    Can't count Clinton since he is the man that ordered the investigation into his time as Governor of Arkansas.
     
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    Robert Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I have not given up on the Republicans. I have seen this dog and pony show happen since Kennedy was the president. When Clinton was president and impeached, our own media defended him daily. Some of the media was not pro Clinton but the majority of the media was weeping that Clinton was attacked by republicans.
    But that is a myth. Most of the Media defended Bill. They kept telling us how great the Clinton poll numbers were and that it was evil republicans trying to impeach Clinton. That was not true at all. Clinton did have good poll numbers but that was because of his support by the media. Clinton asked for the investigation of his time as Governor at Arkansas. This is part of his history of him telling Janet Reno to do the investigation.
    Trump on the other hand was constantly blamed for what were supposedly things done by the Russians. The media acted as if Trump wanted the Russians help. Which he never did.

    How is the Media treating Durham? Like he is catching nobody at all and how it is still Trumps fault. My ass it is Trumps fault.:deadhorse:
     
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    Robert Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I admit to being pro Trump. And for excellent reasons.
    Rather than the Democrats lament the poor rated press kept attacking Trump, they enjoyed it. They promoted treating Trump poorly. They still treat Trump poorly and claim it is justified.
    Trump did not deserve to be attacked daily by the press.
    They do not attack Biden. Biden to the majority of the press is wonderful and just a hell of a nice old man.
    Few of the media actually is paying attention to Biden as president. They see him as victim.

    I agree with the comments made by Spiritgide. The man realizes the truth and always tells the truth.

    The way a poor president gets liked by the Democrats and their media and a good president is treated like crap is proof the public has no business selecting presidents.
    Presidents have the top job. They should be picked by experts on presidents and not by punk ass people who do not understand the job of presidents.
    Trump's first duty was to the nation. And he made America first. And this pisses off Democrats. I do not understand why.
     
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    Robert Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Biden has wooed the illegals. He claims he sends them back. I believe he lied about that. He only sends back a few so he can claim he sends them back. But the Border Patrol is being honest on this. They claim Biden is lying.

    First chance Biden had the opportunity to defend the Border Patrol and he promised to investigate them and punish them. For them keeping out illegals.
     
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    yet you post nothing
     
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    republicans told the world that when Biden was elected he would invite them in, they started coming here under Trump because Republican told the world this, what did you expect to happen if republicans told the world they could come
     
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    I appreciate the support!

    Something I think is relevant here. Trump was a leader. A leader inspires people to follow them to improve things. The followers are not driven like cattle, not required to please the person in power- they are volunteers seeking a way to better their lives, and the lives of all of us.

    People being "Led" with the tools of hate, of fear, of victimhood, of revenge, of demand for emotional satisfaction or the promise of free things- are not followers; they are being driven like so many herd animals- or being baited into the trap.

    A simple look at the ways Biden has obtained support show clearly that he has no followers drawn by leadership. Trump's rally's drew tens of thousands everywhere- Biden can hardly draw flies. Trump inspired people who came to follow. Biden wants to drive people to compliance and punish those who criticize or fail to comply. This is the difference in these two men's approach to the task.

    In all fairness, it should be said that this is hardly Biden doing the thinking; he's no longer capable of cohesive logic over the big picture. Much of this is from the people who control and manipulate him and hide behind the curtain; he is the puppet for a vastly more sinister interest. Still, he wanted to be president so bad that he was willing to sell America out to get that title. Because of that- America is a kind of danger that no living American has seen before. I think that if the nation and our system survives as a free country, it will be because we reach the point that we will no longer tolerate the kind of abuse that today's politicians and disjointed ideology have heaped on us. I think it's time we went to the root of the problems, and put a stop to it. It can be done- and done without violence or illegal acts. Let's work on it.
     
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    Look for a thread on the subject coming soon, you are invited.
    The talking point excuse to attempt blaming Republicans for 20 year record high ILLEGAL ALIEN numbers is a joke that doesn't hold water, a dog that wont hunt. Almost as big a joke as your claim you "supported" Trump, early on.

    Fear not, I shall use this ----> @ function so you dont miss the thread.
     
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    What a poor excuse of a reply, you making him the subject instead of addressing the content of his post is pretty lame. He's absolutely right and you damn well know it. It's the FEDERAL GOVERNMENT'S JOB to keep our borders secure.
     
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    Thread summary:

    Trump cultists display a frothing hysterical hatred of immigrants, which is fueled entirely by hysterical emotion. And that's being charitable as to their motivations.

    They feel that way because their masters feed them propaganda to keep them terrified. Their masters keep them hysterical in order to keep them obedient. Very obedient. "Sheep look like independent thinkers in comparison" obedient. As shown by their sworn feality to Trump, the tactic clearly works.
     
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    Funny thing is, they dont know why either....just following the one in front of them.
     

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    One day, and my thinking is it will be sooner than later, we're going to wish we had those extra hands.
     
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    If he didn't, they wouldn't still be coming in. Bidens actions prove you wrong here.
     
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    Yes Biden did roll out the welcome mat... and your claim the repuplican DID is not true..

    September Houston Democratic Debate Transcript – Third Debate

    https://www.rev.com/blog/transcripts/democratic-debate-transcript-houston-september-12-2019

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    sure you will
     
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    I've noticed that even the Democrats secretly seem to be at least a little bit reluctant about taking them in.
    They know the population from this country is more likely to be problematic to America in the long run. They tend to prefer Hispanics, who have fewer of the negatives but are still extremely likely to vote for Democrats.

    Notice how the Biden Administration's policies clearly seem to be prioritizing migrants from Hispanic countries over Haiti, with all sorts of excuses for that, or different waves of migrants being treated differently in different situations at different times.
     
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    Currently it is probably true, but I found it very interesting how it happened.
    Haiti was the first country in Americas were in 1791 a slave rebellion under leadership of Toussaint Louverture
    was successful and the slavery was abolished.
    In July 1825 France formally recognized the independence of the nation in exchange for a payment of 150 million francs - payments for slaves lost by France. By 1900 80% of the country's gross domestic product was being spent on debt repayment and the country did not finish repaying it until 1947.
    The US recognized Haiti in 1861.
    United States occupied Haiti in 1915–1934 – the US didn’t do anything to support democracy there.
    The US improved Haiti infrastructure, however, many infrastructure projects were built using the semi-slavery system that allowed the government/occupying forces to take people from their homes and farms, at gunpoint if necessary, to build roads, bridges by force.
    In years 1957–1986 Haiti was rules by Duvalier dictators . Duvalier dictators promote corruptions and oppositions killings – the US didn’t do anything to support democracy there.
    After 2010 earthquake Haiti received huge humanitarian aid. How this was used? As usual:
    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/oct/11/haiti-and-the-failed-promise-of-us-aid
     
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    False all undocumented.

    Good grief could you at least try to get yourself just a little bit informed on your own so I don't have to prove EVERYTHING to you?

    "Pandering to an Asian and Latino political action committee recently, Democratic presidential frontrunner and global citizen Joe Biden declared:

    We could afford to take in a heartbeat another two million people [per year]. The idea that a country of 330 million people is cannot absorb people who are in desperate need … is absolutely bizarre.”
    https://www.wilsoncountynews.com/articles/joe-biden-wants-2-million-more-immigrants-a-year/
     
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    Some?
     
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    Just one of the BIGGEST take aways from the Dem debates.................:wall:
     
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    No you are not and in fact claiming you don't know anything about it by having to have what he said shown to you even though it was quite common knowledge. Republicans only repeated what he and the other Dems said and then Biden followed through and laid down the mat for them and we have seen the results.
     
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    it's been fact checked, it was fake news they were talking about emergency care and DACA, not all illegals
     
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    so give us a quote were Biden said everyone could come and they would all be let in
     

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