Doctors grow frustrated over COVID-19 denial, misinformation

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  1. Durandal

    Durandal Well-Known Member Donor

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    A very good display of what liberals tend to do.
     
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    Durandal Well-Known Member Donor

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    It's what you're doing here.
     
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    Stock holder, and dues paying member of the Cult of The Poisoned Mind.
     
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    Doctors hoarded HCQ for themselves and their families, so we know what they really think. ;-)
     
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    “Shortly after the World Health Organization declared Covid-19 a global pandemic on March 11, 2020, markets collapsed and economies around the world plunged into recession.”

    “One year later, things couldn’t be more different: a record 493 new billionaires joined the list this year, propelled by a red-hot stock market and unprecedented economic stimulus. Among those newcomers are at least 40 new entrants who draw their fortunes from companies involved in fighting Covid-19. Some, such as Moderna CEO Stéphane Bancel and BioNTech cofounder Uğur Şahin, have become household names thanks to the vaccines they helped develop. Others got rich making everything from personal protective equipment and diagnostic tests to antibody treatments and software that helps authorities schedule vaccination campaigns, which will be essential in reopening economies and returning to normal life.”
    FORBES, Meet The 40 New Billionaires Who Got Rich Fighting Covid-19, By Giacomo Tognini, Forbes Staff, BILLIONAIRES 2021, Apr 6, 2021. (emphasis mine)
    https://www.forbes.com/sites/giacom...o-got-rich-fighting-covid-19/?sh=2192c24d17e5

    The "Left" is not "woke" it is in a coma.
     
  8. independentthinker

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    And the left hide the truth about how many have died from the vaccines, how many have had very serious reactions to the vaccines, that vaccinated people spread the virus, and that masked people spread the virus. Misinformation is a two way street.
     
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    No, no one is "hiding" anything. It's just that these numbers are insignificant and overblown by conspiracy theorists who stubbornly don't let more pertinent facts get in the way of their kooky beliefs.

    People still die in car crashes despite wearing seatbelts and having airbags. Doesn't mean they don't save lives and aren't a good idea.
     
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    The DNC didn't develop Covid but they have certainly developed a very effective political campaign around it.
     
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    8300 deaths from vaccines is not insignificant. About 8 people die per year from the flu shots but over 10,000 people would die from the virus vaccines on an annual basis.
     
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    8,300? Interesting number.

    City’s Vaccination Campaign Has Prevented 8,300 Deaths: DOH

    July 14, 2021 By Christian Murray

    New York City’s vaccination campaign has prevented as many as 8,300 COVID-related deaths, the City’s Department of Health reported today.

    The DOH, citing a study conducted by epidemiologists at Yale University, said that the city’s campaign has also prevented 250,000 COVID-19 cases and 44,000 hospitalizations since it began through July 1, 2021.

    The DOH also released data showing the efficacy of the COVID-19 vaccines and the risk the virus presents to unvaccinated people.

    ... City's Vaccination Campaign Has Prevented 8,300 Deaths: DOH - Sunnyside Post
     
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    https://timcast.com/news/over-8000-...ting-to-be-processed-under-a-bridge-in-texas/
     
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    Where the hell did they get those numbers?
    1. Nobody can predict who will or will not get sick
    2. The vax does not prevent Covid on any predictable basis.

    I have no idea as to how factual the 8300 vax deaths can be but events have fact checked the promise of protection the vax provides. It does offer some protection but not even close to initial expectations. The honest scientists may have understood it to be what we see today but politicians and THEIR experts absolutely cultivated stronger faith in shelter from the storm. I'm sick of hearing "Oh it's just a mild case" when that still puts some vital systems at high risk and I have no doubt these mild versions have damaged a lot of people. That is an inconvenient truth that will have to be examined at some point. Right now it's a political minefield.
     
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    You’re definitely not a critical thinker.
     
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    Quote; People still die in car crashes.....

    Good point, however, irrelevant to the negative thinkers.
     
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    Question; Is the following number of deaths significant, or insignificant?

    Fact; Excluding overdose and misuse of prescription drugs, last year, over 8,300 people died due to an adverse reaction to a prescribed drug.
     
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    Sounds pretty general and non-specific. Got a source?
     
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    Since you are throwing out vague terms like "rare exception" what is the risk of hospitalization for healthy people?
     
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    Many times higher than the risk of complications with any of the vaccines.
     
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    You cannot make that claim. The long term effects of the vaccine are unknown to those that know what they are talking about. We do, however, know the risk for young healthy people and it is far too low to justify consumption of a rushed pharm product that comes with a "use at your own risk" disclaimer.
     
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    So you can make a BS claim but I can't make a well-founded claim? You're moving the goalposts when you bring up long-term effects, though vaccines are hardly likely to have long-term effects anyway.

    The fact remains that the virus is far more dangerous to health and life than any of the vaccines. It makes absolutely no sense to cite a percentage survival rate for the virus as a justification not to be vaccinated, yet claim that the vaccines are too dangerous based in a percentage of complications that is a fraction of the viral death rate.
     
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    Ivermectin might do you some good if you have a tape worm hangin outta your ass
     
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    Almost certainly not true. The problem is mutation of the virus. The vaccines haven't changed but the virus has. Delta is more virulent and resistant to the vaccines than the original strain. This happens regularly with other forms of influenza. We have been vaccinating against last year's strain of flu for as long as I can remember. It helps but it doesn't really solve the problem. My own opinion is that covid will be no different. It is the opinion of many doctors as well.

    I should also mention that vaccines don't prevent infection. They cause the immune system to develop antibodies. When a new infection arrives, those antibodies can dispense with the infection quickly. The reason vaccinated people have less severe symptoms is because their immune system has a head start. People with natural immunity have a head start for subsequent infections as well. It is all about the immune system versus the virus.
     
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    Well there is a chance someone can die from a lighting strike but it is rare enough that people have no fear of traveling during thunderstorms. Well most people. My wife won't do it.
     

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