Biden received a mandate that he must follow

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  1. Hey Now

    Hey Now Well-Known Member

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    I don't think so. He's a zealot.
     
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    Foolardi Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Be careful what you wish for.Apperantly Biden dint just go hog crazy.
    He went totally overboard.An unbelievaby obnoxious first by leaps and
    bounds.I'm speaking of letting Criminals In the U.S. out of jail.By the
    thousands.*Making sure those caught red-handed,shooting and murdering
    on video are not even arrested.Letting into country untold thousands of illegals by the
    week,many of whom were released from prison in the country they came
    into the U.S. as if a welcome mat at Disneyland.

    * as Chicago DA Kim Foxx { friend of the Obama's } saw fit.
    Let me guess,Biden was never informed of this new take on
    Chicagoland Shootings.Foxx as State Attorney only manages the
    2nd largest Prosecutors office in the country.
     
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    Foolardi Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Name one associate of Donald Trump not relegated to some
    name-calling negative.
    It's who the real American haters are.The vast populace is starting
    to understand all this.It's an attempt to Replace and Reinstall..
    Like what Tyrants do.Replace good cops and good Police Departments
    with Bad cops and Bad Police Dept.
    Replace good Trump policy and reinstall Bad Biden Policy.
    In most all instances.Replace Good and Productive Trump economic
    Policy with Bad,inefficient and inflationary Biden Policy.
    Via use of constant Lying,doublethink and gaslighting.
     
  4. Jolly Penguin

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    Biden fulfilled any mandate he had by simply winning. Not many voted FOR Biden, they voted against Trump.

    And moreover, Biden ran as a "go back how it used to be" candidate. Had Bernie, Warren, Yang, etc won they would have had an actual mandate for change. Biden was the opposite of them.
     
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  5. garyd

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    do he can barely even read a good speech. Biden's generally incoherent skite not only isn't rallying the troops is pissing damn near everyone else off. Your problem sir is this malaprop prone goose your party gave us couldn't inspire a dirrhea stricken man to find a toilet.
     
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    Just Silly talk that Biden has a Mandate.Just look up the word
    Mandate in a political sense.The Senate is Split 50-50.No mandate
    there.And the Dems control the house with Slimest majority in like 100 years.
    Actually 80 years.Again more daffiness as far as Dem sycophants.
    They can't tell the God's Honest Truth even when taking their
    afternoon nap.
     
  7. Golem

    Golem Well-Known Member Donor

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    First of all, Biden won Arizona. At a bear minimum it's purple. And second, neither of them will get re-elected without Biden's support. Not as Democrats, anyway.
     
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    Golem Well-Known Member Donor

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    It means a majority of voters voted for his agenda. Therefore, he must fulfill it.
     
  9. Golem

    Golem Well-Known Member Donor

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    I have no idea what you're talking about.
     
  10. Golem

    Golem Well-Known Member Donor

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    There is no "against" vote in any state that I know.
     
  11. Dayton3

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    A majority of voters did not vote for Biden. Not literally. A SLIGHT majority of those who bothered to vote did so.
     
  12. Golem

    Golem Well-Known Member Donor

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    They LITERALLY voted for Biden. I don't know what you're talking about.
     
  13. Grey Matter

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    Interesting, thanks for engaging with a response.

    Well, that's not what you posted in the OP. What you posted, as the foundation of your premise and the first statement of the post was this:

    On November 3, over half of all American people gave Biden a mandate.

    That's what I was offering to you as you overstating your case. Is that a big deal for you? Difficult to admit that you may have overstated your case, that is? I've little interest in sparring over trivial or marginal points of discussion with folks here, at least regarding political facts that are not really debatable.

    Why are you attempting to lecture to me about what democracy is and isn't? That has nothing to do with the inaccuracy of the first sentence of your post. And your follow-up in this post is still inaccurate. The President of the United States is elected through a winner-take-all process that negates the votes of everyone in every state for the Presidential candidates who fail to obtain the most votes in the state. Nebraska and Maine are the two exceptions to this practice in the US Presidential election. The majority of the voters did not elect Trump, they elected HRC. The majority of the voters did not elect Bush, they elected Gore.

    And regarding a mandate tied to the list of items you propose in the OP, I don't believe that to be the case either. I voted for Biden and I could give a flying f about curbing or legislating carbon and the super marginal "science" used to back the hysterical claims that fossil resources will cause irreparable harm to humanity if not immediately regulated and replaced with more sustainable resources which do not exist. We do not have anywhere close to a solution to reduce modernity's dependence on fossil resources, p e r i o d.

    Patagonia fleece worn by all the Sierra Club members - guess what, made from fossil resources, etc, etc, etc.

    Back in February there was a one off freeze that hit Texas and its independent electrical grid which is the greenest grid in the nation with 23% of its baseplate capacity consisting of wind turbines. 73% of this capacity was offline during the winter freeze. MSNBC however mentioned nothing about this and instead chose to focus coverage on the lack of regulation requiring natural gas baseplate capacity installations to winterize their equipment to withstand conditions never before encountered in the 20th century in the parts of Texas where they occurred. Even if these plants winterized to design specifications of 20°F it would have insufficient to keep them running since temperatures went down to 10°F. Suppose Texas and Ercot mandates that all grid connected suppliers winterize their plants for 0°F design conditions. That includes wind turbines and solar as well. It even includes fundamental changes to materials used in equipment manufacture and maintenance. Step outside of the box a bit and this becomes a wide open discussion that swings on a fulcrum questioning modern societies' dependence on electricity. Does everyone deserve access to power and those who can't afford it must be subsidized by those who can? Then there is the other issue of residential customers that were scammed by the spot price market. Economics I find to be an elusive subject for me to grasp, I have a similar problem with statistics. I suspect many folks have an imperfect grasp of these two subjects, and I also suspect that many who claim to have expertise on these subjects are deluding themselves and those who believe in them. I reckon anyone qualified to competently grasp statistics has to have an IQ of 150 or better, or at least 120 and an aptitude for the concepts. Whew! Sorry, I digress.... Hopefully someone here will find this rant amusing, ugh....

    Anyway, my vote for Biden does not align with your vote for Biden, so your mandate assertion is false and I'm proof of its falsity. My vote for Biden was simply a vote against Trump, and I'm still waiting to see our feckless Federal government lock Trump up for attempting to overthrow the government of the United States. It's not gonna happen so this is one item that both Biden and Garland have failed on already.

    Healthcare huh? It's near the top of the list on my personal agenda. I don't remember seeing Biden or the DNC make much of a topic of it on their platform. What exactly did they propose to achieve on healthcare reform?

    How many of the top 10 2021 Fortune 500 Corporations make their money from healthcare?

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  14. Marine1

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    It's not hard to figure out. I think even you could do it if you try. Biden promised to pay off school loans for up to 40,000.00 There are around 35 million people with school loans. Just who do you think most of those 35 million loan holders and their parents are going to vote for?

    Trump picked up the largest Black vote in the first election of any Republican. Biden needed to get those votes back and add to them to help him win. Walla, lets offer them billions in reparations. Blacks are already demanding Biden pay up for their vote.

    Latinos make up the second leading group in America. Biden needed to pick up a large portion of that group. What better way to do it than offer Hispanic Americans citizenship for their illegal friends and relatives.

    Gee guess what Biden got the biggest vote ever for a running President and he didn't need to do hardly any campaigning. People will also look over part of the time he doesn't even know what he is saying. All were interested in is what he promised us. Biden bought the election, he didn't steal it and that seem hard for even Republicans to understand seeing Trump had ten million more votes this times than he did against Hillary. But it's true, there is no other explanation for that kind of turn out sense they found no wide spread cheatings.
     
  15. Grey Matter

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    As I understand it, Manchin holds his office in WV in spite of being a D, not because of being one.

    Are you proposing that WV will boot their Senator for blocking Biden's "agenda"?

    Seriously? Manchin's last victory running for the WV Senate position was pretty tight over his R opponent, winning by less than 20,000 votes out of about 600k cast.

    Your speculations in this post undermine your credibility for having any sense about politics.
     
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    Lets not also forget the Left had most of the major news stations stomping for Biden. They refused to put out any of all the good things Trump did. Have this country went into the elections believing Trump did nothing good in his whole for years in office.
     
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    Sorry, but I'm not understanding where you see a difference.

    The majority of voters elected Biden. But not just that. A qualified majority. That constitutes a mandate.

    What I understand the least of all is why you interpret the introduction to an argument which is intended to make a point as "lecturing" you.

    In any case. I repeat what I have said many times in this thread. It makes no difference what you or I or anybody who voted for Biden had in mind when they voted. They voted for an agenda. It's not what they had in mind what constitutes a mandate. Whether it was hate for Trump or they wanted to marry a gay partner or that they didn't want the Keystone pipeline to do in their land what those pipelines are doing in California.... it doesn't matter. It's the fact that over 50% of voters, for whatever reason, gave a nod to Biden's agenda. So he MUST fulfill it. And there is no excuse. Period!

    You're damn right that protecting Democracy, civil rights, the right to healthcare, ... etc... is a big deal for me. But that's besides the point.

    In that case, it's clear that, not only do you not understand science. But you don't understand voting either.

    By "mandate" I'm not referring to what voters want. A "mandate" is power. Your vote as an individual is not the point. Why each individual voter voted for Biden is irrelevant. The collective vote of the American people (which just happens to include yours) gave Biden the power to carry out what he campaigned on. And there is no excuse to not use that power. His agenda was not to build a wall with Mexico, or to undermine NATO, or to shield acts of corruption in government by abusing power, or to keep Americans in the dark by lying to them every single day.... That was Trump's agenda. Biden's was to fix healthcare, protect civil rights, bring criminals in the last administration to justice, mitigate AGW.... etc. Whether you, as an individual, voted for him because you agree with some of it or with all of it or with none of it is irrelevant. The American people, as a whole, gave Biden the power of a mandate.
     
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    They vote for Biden's agenda. Which includes school loans (yeah... I forgot that one). But also mitigating AGW, for bringing Trump and his minions to justice, for fixing healthcare, ... etc. It's a package. And that package received a mandate. It's not Biden's job to pick and choose which one of those is why people voted for him. He must fulfill it all. That's why he received a mandate. Because he managed to build a package that appealed to more people than the package that Trump built. And not only to more people. But to more than half the voters (which is what I'm referring to as "mandate"). This last fact gives him more power, and less excuses.

    The rest of your post is irrelevant to this thread.
     
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    Manchin did not get voted into office because the majority of Republicans voted for him. If Democrats don't vote for him, he's out.

    No. If Manchin's only purpose is to get re-elected, and not to govern, I'm proposing that Biden holds the threat of using the bully pulpit against him, if he blocks his agenda. Which would, if it came to fruition, get him booted out. Be it in a primary or in the general election.

    Having "being re-elected" as your only motivation during your term in Congress works very well on the right. Not so much on the left. Demagoguery doesn't work quite as well for Democrats as it does for Republicans.
     
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    Why is it you are unable to correct the error you have regarding how Presidents are elected in the US?
     
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    Oh sure, he had to go along with a lot of things others wanted. A better health care system and global warming played a large part to voters. But it was the give aways he promised a good third of the population that drove it across for him. Half the nation didn't know about the package Trump offered as they weren't told. Just like they were told nothing Trump did his whole four years in office. As shown, over 90% of the news coming out on Trump by the bias news was all negative. .
     
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    As of November 2020 the majority of registered voters in WV are Ds,
    https://sos.wv.gov/elections/Documents/VoterRegistrationTotals/2020/Nov2020.pdf

    But if you believe that their party affiliation and having Biden use Trump tactics to use the "Bully Pulpit" will convince them to abandon Manchin all of itself then you believe in a process that I very much doubt. Furthermore, you contradict your own argument by on the one hand proposing that Biden use Trumpian demagogue tactics to threaten to "primary" or otherwise hold a Senator's feet to the fire using the office of the President to do so and then asserting that demagoguery doesn't work as well for Ds as it does for Rs.

    There is no "if" about Manchin blocking Biden's agenda, is there?
     
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    :eyepopping::icon_jawdrop: I don't think you know what it means for a President to receive a mandate through The People. It absolutely matters WHY people voted for him. If he had received a mandate then the people would have voted for him based on the issues. Not because he wasn't Trump.

    No, he isn't. Many scholars have claimed that RvW was written badly. From BOTH sides of the political aisle.

    It is being enforced. :shrug:

    No its not. Its not even written yet.

    Your thread on the topic shows bupkis.

    Its been proven that he committed crimes? That's funny, I don't recall a court ruling that. Can you point it out to me? I must have missed Trump being in a court of law that proved this.
     
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    And they'd have voted for a carrot if the alternative was Trump.
     

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