Biden received a mandate that he must follow

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  1. Dayton3

    Dayton3 Well-Known Member

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    "using the bully pulpit" only works if the president has some level of public speaking ability and/or some level of personal charisma.

    Biden has neither one.
     
  2. Golem

    Golem Well-Known Member Donor

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    What "error"? And what does how Presidents are elected in the US have anything whatsoever to do with this?

    Looks like you're trying to change the subject. Not interested....
     
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    Golem Well-Known Member Donor

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    Right! It's called an "agenda".

    So it looks like they fell short, because 99% of what Trump DID was all negative.
     
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    Golem Well-Known Member Donor

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    No! Pay attention: Every individual could have voted for him for a completely different reason. NO President has ever been elected because every single voter voted for him for the same reason. I voted for Obama the first time because he wasn't John McCain. He STILL had an obligation to fulfill his agenda. It's not the President's job to figure out why each individual voted for him. So he has to fulfill EVERYTHING on that agenda. And, in the case of Biden, the fact that he gets a mandate gives him additional power. So there is no excuse!
     
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  5. Dayton3

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    A gross exaggeration on you part.
     
  6. Dayton3

    Dayton3 Well-Known Member

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    Don't be ridiculous. That isn't even close to being possible.
     
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    Perhaps Biden did, but the Democratic Party didn't. Not when one takes the whole 2020 election results into consideration. Yes, Biden won by 7 plus million votes. Impressive. But that in my opinion was more the result of a rejection of Trump than the approval of Biden. There were tons of ticket splitters voting for Biden, against Trump, then voting Republican down ballot. The Republicans picked up 13 house seats, 2 state legislatures and a governorship all the while losing the presidency by 7 plus million votes. If this had been a non-presidential year, the GOP would be crowing and the Democrats licking their wounds. Certainly not an endorsement of a Democratic Party Agenda. Biden owes his win to independents, they voted for Biden 54-41 or should I say against Trump. But 48% of independents voted for Republican congressional candidates, 51% for Republican senators and 52% for Republican governor candidates.

    Fact is 2020 was the first election since 1884, Grover Cleveland when a presidential candidate won the popular vote via to winning the presidency and lost House seats. Almost unheard off.

    I also think independents gave Biden a six month honeymoon only because he wasn't Trump. Then in August started to focus more on Biden and the Democrats than Trump. Independents finally realized Trump was gone, ancient history. I think the numbers back me up on this. I use the 1 Aug number to compare to today's numbers. 1 Aug is the date in which independents stop giving Biden and the Democrats the benefit of not being Trump.

    Biden’s overall job approval/disapproval numbers:
    1 Aug 51.3% approval, 45.9% disapproval/Today 43.4% approval, 50.3% disapproval.

    Generic congressional vote
    1 Aug Democrats 48% Republican 41% D plus 7/Today Democrats 44% Republicans 42% D plus 2.

    Direction of the Country, right track/wrong track

    1 Aug right track 40%, wrong track 53%/Today right track 32%/wrong track 61%.

    Immigration 1 Aug 42% approve, 54% disapprove/today 32% approve, 60% disapprove.

    COVID 1 Aug 62% approve, 38% disapprove/Today 51% approve, 45% disapprove.

    Economy 1 Aug 55% approve, 45% disapprove/Today 45% approve, 50% disapprove.

    https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/other/president-biden-job-approval-7320.html

    I think the 2020 election was all about Trump, the rejection of him, not an endorsement of Democratic Party ideals or agenda. That is if one takes the whole election in consideration and not just the presidential. Now that folks finally realize Trump is gone, into the dustbin of history, they'll taking a good look at Biden and company. It doesn't seem they're too happy with it.

    I see 2020 election as a rejection of Trump, not an endorsement or rejection of either party's ideas or agenda. If 2020 was an endorsement for the Democrats they would have gain a bunch of house seats, a few state legislators and some governors. They didn't. Just a word of caution, don't read too much into the 2020 election or try to make into something it wasn't. Numbers don't lie.
     
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    Biden has no mandate from *all* Americans to do anything. You keep asserting that he does when the method by which he holds office negates 47% of the vote and 29% of those eligible to have voted that chose Trump. How is this changing the subject of your OP? You don't consider that the 61% voter participation rate matters or that the winner-take-all electoral college matters? I assert that when you assert that the President has a mandate from "all Americans" then these facts absolutely matter and are relevant to prove or refute your assertion that Biden has a mandate from all Americans.

    It's not a trivial point that I am making. It is the same point that I make about when someone like Mitch McConnell states that we ought to let the people decide the next Scotus member. This from a guy that holds a Senate seat representing none of the people, only one of 50 states with a relatively small population. Smaller than the population of Harris county Texas. Neither the Senate nor the President represent the people. Only the House represents the people in the US. Do you argue this point or do you concede that I am correct?
     
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    Biden's BR bill has broad support.

    • Child care and universal pre-K
    Every family that applies shall be offered child care assistance for children ages 0 to 5. In all, the plan allocates roughly $450 billion to lower the cost of child care and provide two years of universal pre-K for 3- and 4-year-olds, according to the House Education and Labor Committee.

    The panel estimated that this proposal would keep the cost of child care at or below 7% of most families' income.

    • Medicare expansion
    This heavily debated provision would expand Medicare to include coverage of dental, hearing and vision services.


    Manchin believes the program's solvency should be addressed before it is expanded.

    "We need to stabilize it," he told reporters Friday, according to reports. "By 2026, you understand, the trust fund is going to be insolvent."

    • Extended child tax credit
    Democrats expanded the child tax credit for 2021 in their $1.9 trillion COVID-19 relief plan, and now want to extend it through 2025.

    Under the enhancement, families receive $3,600 per child under age 6, and $3,000 per child age 6 to 18. Most families receive monthly payments of either $250 or $300 per child.


    The House Ways and Means Committee has also endorsed permanent expansions of the earned income tax credit and child and dependent care tax credit.

    • Cut prescription drug prices
    Another key provision in the bill is aimed at helping to slash prescription drug prices. Americans on average pay two to three times as much as people in other countries for prescription drugs, according to the White House. Among other things, the legislation allows Medicare to negotiate drug prices. Medicare is currently prohibited by law from negotiating for the best deal.

    • Paid family and medical leave
    For the first time in history, the U.S. would have comprehensive paid leave, covering 12 weeks of paid family and medical leave. The legislation would replace at least two-thirds of earnings, up to $4,000 per month, while the lowest-paid workers would receive 80% of their income.

    The White House has previously estimated the plan would cost $225 billion over the next 10 years.

    • Climate change
    Combating climate change and slowing the rate at which Earth warms will mean transitioning away from fossil fuels, the major source of greenhouse gas emissions.

    The bill also provides significant funding for forest management and other wildfire control measures.


    There are also measures to incentivize the buying of electric vehicles and the construction of charging stations; consumer rebates to homeowners who weatherfit their houses; and financial penalties for oil and gas producers for methane leaks, among other things.

    Anything that helps people, helps working class families, according to republicans, is 'liberal crap'.

    Unfortunately for you, there are more of us than there are of you.

    And what are republicans about? What does 'small government' mean?

    It doesn't mean ****. Republicans are colossal hypocrites when it comes to debt, government spending, they spend money like drunken socialists and they have the gall to accuse democrats of it. If we rely on republicans, we get more pollution, more catering to the rich, and screw the environment, hell, who needs an earth to live on, they're going to crap all over it.

    The truth is, Republican's philosophy, especially that which is advocated by Trump, whatever it is, is is destined for the dustbin of history, which will garner nothing more than an asterisk and a footnote.
     
  10. Polydectes

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    No president ever does that. The one that fulfilled the most promises from his campaign was actually Donald Trump.
     
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    especially if repubs gain some seats in the senete in 2022

    seems to be what republicans do anymore, prevent any wins for the American people
     
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    I do not mind republicans, it's the Jim Jordan, Marg green, Trump types that I have a issue with, they don't seem to have solutions, just drama
     
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    And both win easily as Republicans.
     
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    Neither. My point is that one of the tactical advantages of promoting this set of conspiracy theories, is to deny the winner any sense that he deserves a chance to govern. That 'honeymoon period' is totally dependent on the idea that he won the election fair and square. Trump successfully denies his adversary of any momentum, or any policy driven' mandate', once he has convinced almost half the population that Biden stole the rightful man of the position he earned. Once they accept that Trump really won, its not Biden's agenda that is supposed to have a mandate, is it?
     
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    The 'bully pulpit' does not work in their states, if his policies are not widely popular in their states. It might work with Sinema in Arizona, but its not going to work in West Virginia. And the House has its share of conservative Dems as well. He needs filibuster reform and that is not happening.
     
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    By the way is there any state in the union in which Biden isn't upside down in the polls. Further as someone else already pointed out no one voted for Biden nearly as much as they voted against Trump.
     
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    Again, I don't think you know what it means when people say that a President received a mandate. When a President receives a mandate it is because the overwhelming majority of people voted for that President based on their policies. It is additionally shown in Congress when people vote enough of that Presidents same party into office to control Congress as a whole without any problems from opposition. For example, Obama received a Mandate when he was first elected. He not only had the White House but he had majority control of both the House and Senate. Democrats had 58% of the voting share in both chambers of Congress in 2009.

    The 2020 election had Republicans gain seats in the House and even though losing the majority in the Senate it is only because Kamala is the tie breaker vote that Dems currently hold a majority.

    With your definition of "mandate" then every single President had a mandate. But we both know that is not how a Mandate is viewed by a majority of people. That is just you making excuses.
     
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    Now that is a laugh. Sorry dude in order to have a bully pulpit there has to be somebody in that senator's home state that is still willing to trust the president and said president needs to have a decent message, which "everyone who doesn't like my ideas is a racist" isn't.
     
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    Exactly. I don't admire Biden, and in fact don't even like him. Even among those defending Biden, I don't sense any kind of love or loyalty to him. I do hope the Democratic Party can find a replacement for the next election. Maybe then I'll see more of a mandate.
    I seem to recall a time when politicians ran on those big idealistic promises, and it was generally accepted after the election that those promises could not or would not be fulfilled. And it seems like in today's world, we expect the President to have a kind of supreme authority that would empower him/her to fulfill all those promises. That ignores the fact that about half of Congress was elected by the people to stop the President from making many of those changes.
     
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    "I" voted for President Biden and against Benedict Donald; win win!!!!!!!!! 8)
     
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    Precisely how is Biden a win?
     
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    A majority of voters,voted for Hillary.However ... not a Majority of states.
    Proving Nothing.
    There is no way to prove what defines an Agenda.It might simply be
    the color of one's skin.Or what Party.Or what State { as in California }
    Plus Polling is more a tactic than reality.Like what we understand to be
    the business model behind Facebook,Twitter,Google and Youtube.
    Which I explained in a thread last year { august } in depth.
    And then somehow got banned.
     
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    Well apparently they aren't liking what he is doing so maybe he should stop

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    A laughable proposition at best.
     
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    Because nothing you've written thus far indicates you have the least idea how mandates work or even what they are.
     
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