Propaganda - and Social Media - and Free Speech

Discussion in 'Political Opinions & Beliefs' started by Giftedone, Oct 8, 2021.

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Stop the censorship and message management by Social Meda Oligopolies

  1. Yes .. speech must be protected

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  2. No - I would love to live in a totalitarian Borg collective -where life is beautiful all the time

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  1. Bow To The Robots

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    So give me your solution.
     
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    So you DO want social media private entities like FB (as in not a govt entity) to be held to the first amendment. So I was right. Thanks.
     
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    Eight pages in and I'm still waiting for our OP to tell us exactly what it is he wants.
     
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    He does seem rather confused.
     
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    The state quits protecting and empowering them. The minute they begin to act as editors they become liable for legal action just like any other media provider.
     
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    Giftedone Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Saying that the whole time mate --- Monopolies should be regulated as such.
     
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    Giftedone Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    quit whining and making stuff up .. told you numerous times we need to stop these clowns from messing with free speech - freedom of information .. how we do it .. is make what they are doing illegal.
     
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    No it doesn't -- you just can't figure out the difference between one and the other .. Just because you can not engage in general censorship - does not mean you can not weed out things that are illegal. So you are confusing "free speech" with speech that is not free"

    Posting Child molesting pics is not free speech .. this methinks may be part of the confustion.
     
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    Bottom line is you want private entities like Facebook to be held to first amendment. Sorry, doesn’t work that way, no matter how much you want the govt to force social media sites to be included in the first amendment. First amendment has always and always should only apply to govt. The founding fathers were far smarter than you and I.
     
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    Perhaps you can address this:

    For the record...I actually support those Democratic Party stances.....
     
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    How do you make what they're doing illegal?
     
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    Again private entities are not subject to first amendment therefore private entities are not “messing with free speech”. I see people expressing their opinions daily on FB, Instagram and on this forum.
     
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    By making them illegal - get caught censoring "free speech" - and punishment will be meeted out.
     
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    Any entity can be legally required not to censor free speech .. you have no clue what you are talking about .. Your claim that censorship is not messing with free speech is abject nonsense.
     
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    Like i said, people are posting opinions all day every day on social media sites. That being said…why are you in favor of more govt control?
     
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    Well, that's a very vague plan... Kind of like AOC when asked how it intends to pay for the $17 trillion Medicare For All plan it proffered during its campaign: "you just pay for it!!! Duh!"



    1. Which legislative mechanism will your plan use to criminalize censoring "free speech" as you say? What specific language goes into your policy? What evidence will be required? You put "free speech" in quotes -- I assume that means your plan allows for some exceptions: What are they and why do they exist?
    2. What is the punishment? Who receives the punishment?
    3. How does your plan account for the fact that it is in itself unconstitutional?
     
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    Because only a moron favors no Gov't control over dangerous monopolistic practices which seek to degrade free speech -
     
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    By which legal authority? And are you sure about any entity?

    Fallacy, argumentum ad hominem: Our fellow forum member is not the topic of this thread. Your argument will be better supported with a factual rebuttal addressing the topic.

    Your claim that private entities are required to give you platform and that they even have the capability to engage in censorship is actually the abject nonsense here.
     
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    1) not unconstitutional in the slightest
    2) we can designate punishment in many ways - fines are usually the way it is done with corporations -and other escalating measures should the infractions continue
    3) Congress is a legislative mechanism - the nitty gritty details are worked out as they always are - such as only applying to monopolies - so everything that is no Social Media Monopoly is exempted.

    4) your rampling gibberish about AOC - in desperate Ad Hom fallacy and name calling - does not apply.
     
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    I didn't claim any such thing - talking about a specific monopoly -- not "private entities in general" --- get on the same page mate.
     
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    How is millions of people expressing their opinions daily on social media “degrading free speech”?
    Sounds like you’re in favor of an authoritarian govt.
     
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    Of course it is: It violates the First Amendment. So there's that...

    What happens when the corporation decides it no longer wishes to be subject to your violation of its rights and moves offshore?

    But Congress is bound by the Constitution. And your proposal is unconstitutional. So...

    I didn't call you any names. I simply pointed out that your proposal as proffered here on the forum was about as detailed as AOC's proposal to pay for Medicare For All. My factual, objective observation.
     
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    Of course you did: You want to force FB to allow users to post whatever they want and to criminally punish them for removing posts they find objectionable. That is imputing a right to platform, in fact to use Facebook's private property (its servers) without regards to Facebook's private property rights.

    Oh, so you were just kidding when you said any entity can be legally required not to censor free speech ?
     
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    Is english not your first language ? -- It is a statement of fact that any entity can be legally required not to censor free speech .. that doesn't mean I agree with censorship for every entity.

    Good grief mate .. how difficult is it for you to understand that difference between a "Monopoly" and private companies in genearl .. you keep conflating the two -- and trying to blame your conflation on me.
     

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