Criminalize homophobia.

This is a response to a homophobic post on here. His seems like it’s being allowed to stay on so let’s see if mine does. It’s funny how Jesus was a long haired hippie communist and a bunch of stuck up *******s ended up starting wars and being tyrannical in his name.

 

Homosexuality should be legal but so should discussion of its prohibition.

Radical idea, I know.

 

Homophobia is a 'religious' word. It has no meaning to anyone but those in the 'faith'. It's like Anime fans calling those who don't like it, Anime-phobes. A nonsense word, outside the bubble of belief.

 

Ah no it means fear of homosexuals.

 

I'm just not sure it's productive, quite the opposite. I think people should be allowed to criticized homosexuality as long they keep measured words. Among the limits I would put is : the obvious call to violence, but also to demonize and dehumanize (gay) people.

Just forbidding something don't mean it would cease to exist, many people criticize the war of drugs, but think that repressive laws and actions would be enough to suppress racism, homophobia or some other prejudice. Can debates solve the problem ? No, not always, it would be naive to think that. It require that you're interlocutor is there to discuss and exchange ideas, not being a dogmatic rigid individual. In the same time just calling people names such homophobic or biggot won't either solve the problem.

 

But the left uses the word homophobia as calling someone a hater or a bigot. The left uses the word to attack. A phobia is an irrational fear and to many people homosexuality itself is irrational. It's like current day white liberals hating on white people, their fear of some sort of supremacy is irrational. Same thing with their heterophobia.

 

Antoine de Saint-Exupery said that "Misnaming things is adding sorrow to this world". It's one of the most wise thing he said, and it's not specifically true to the left. Misnaming, name calling is unfortunately the basis of a lot of political "discussions" (communist ! No you fascist ! No you biggot !).
The fundamental problem there to me is : every political side may have a white knight problem, from people who see everyone that are not them hatefull biggot to people who see other people as only as anti-american communists.
What's the problem there ? Maybe our pride, our own arrogance.

Considering homophobia, it's important to consider that for people, homophobia mean being beaten up, cast out of their family. Yes, a part of the left use is it as way to intimidate their adversary.

Basically, the problem is to going a little beyond our arrogance. I had for some time a problem with the concept of humility as I associated it with spineless people bowing to everyone, but I think that behavour is a fake humility, the more I grow older the more I see the necessity of a more sincere humility.

 

Fear is the same as hate in this situation.

 

You guys keep making up your own definitions, it's like you have your own language. You've redefined phobia, racism, bigotry, hate, fear, illegal alien, asylum, etc.

 

So, just to be clear, you're adopting the "stuck up *******s approach. Does that capture your intent?

 

I posted this before and here it is again: I believe Christ dies on the cross for my “sins”, so the “sin” of being gay was absolved by Christ.
My view is not popular amongst many Christians.

I am not going to change these peoples minds on this issue and it is futile for me to try. Life is short and can be hard at times, but giving away time and energy to people who seethe with subconscious hate and have a lack of understanding/compassion is a waste of time.

You can disagree with the notion of homosexuality, but you do not have the right to cross over that median of laws on the books to display your disagreement.

 

Except its not, and even if it were: See 1st amendment

 

You’re not allowed to go up to black people and say the n word over and over. It’s verbal assault. Or it should be considered verbal assault.

 

No. I support gay people.

 

The OP is doing a good job of being a liberal

1 celebration of abortions (check)
2 hating Jesus (check)

so far so good @Turd in the Punch Bowl

keep up the good work

 

Well I'm not sure your aware of this but meanings DO change.

 

When did I say I hated jesus? The way I described him is the kind of person I would probably like. It’s his hypocritical followers I always have a problem with.

 

To you it might. To others it's just as nonsensical as 'fear of anime'.

 

Have you ever heard of a hate crime?

 

Homophobia is typically A coping mechanism for people who haven't yet accepted their sexual orientation. There is typically a processing coming to terms with it think of this homophobia is a stage of denial.

I don't know if I could explain this to someone that isn't homosexual but imagine that you're trying to live up to other people's expectations and you feel that if you let go and accept this thing about you you will fail.

So now I don't think it should be coming on I think it's part of the healing process for some people. I had a bit of a homophobic period Before I accepted my sexuality.

 

Um no I think a lot of those evangelicals really are straight and they hate gays.

 

I think they are threatened by it. The idea that gay people aren't damaged presents a challenge to their core beliefs.

The at large acceptance of it means their kids will be more apt to question their own sexuality maybe they'll even realize they are bisexual or gay.

They are threatened because they are losing control. That's why they engage in faux outreach.

 

Yes the words like racist homophobe transphobe are tossed around as a means to trigger a defensive response. In a way it's a red herring.

In all fairness there is some irrational fear of homosexuality. The belief that proximity with homosexuals will somehow make kids homosexual is a very pervasive fear. I do agree the use of the word to attack any criticism is over the top but it isn't completely without merit.

I think that is a different thing. They are perpetrating the idea that there is a white supremacists bogeyman to poison the well. It ramped up after Obama was elected. To try and stop people from listening to criticism of Obama. It isn't about insulting you or me it's about doing the flock in line. "Don't listen to those people they are racist." I believe they either bought the splc and adl or they were always puppets. But I digress.

 

Ah no that's the actual definition.

 

Another cult idea.

We're sunk, if we care as much about the emotions of the perpetrator (as if they could even be known), as the act of the perpetrator.