Investigating the Jan 6 th Uprising.

Trump could not have demanded those things, any more than Congress can demand those things.

Congress asked for things that are arguably subject to EP. The executive branch is agreeing to hand them over voluntarily. What’s difficult about that?

 

And, was cleared of wrong-doing by a police review board.

 

Doesn't matter. If Trump was aware of the plan for a Capitol break-in, he's a co-conspirator.

 

Breaking and entering and physical violence are not part of your 1st amendment rights. If Trump was aware of the break-in plan in advance, he becomes a co-conspirator.

 

He could have directed them to leave on twitter, and told them that he deplored what they were doing. Word of that would have spread through the rioters like wildfire. Would they have heeded him? I don't know. But it would have been much preferable to what he actually did, which was posting 3 times on twitter in the hours after the invasion: first criticising Mike Pence, then asking people to be peaceful (but not asking them to leave), and then even after Ashli Babbitt was shot, asking people to be peaceful without asking them to leave. His famous video asking them to leave was about 3 1/2 hours after the whole thing started, and even in that he sides with THEM, saying they are special and he loves them. By any possible standard, surely that's a disgrace. It should be utterly disqualifying for him holding any future office, but US politics is bonkers so who knows.

 

Well stated!! A voice of reason...

 

Coincidentally I just saw report of a TV documentary about 1/6 using footage from the rioters. One of the film-makers said the following: “The interpretation of what happened has been massively politicised. Some on the right have claimed the violence was limited to a few rogues among the Trump supporters’ peaceful protest, as some on the left allege that it was a premeditated coup. It was neither of those things. It was a disruptive action, and though it was to some extent organised, I don’t think many people who entered the building that day really had a plan.” So, sounds like it might be pretty even-handed.

It airs in the US on HBO Max next Wednesday. (Source here: https://www.theguardian.com/tv-and-...losive-film-about-trumps-capitol-hill-rioters)

 

That statement is entirely nonsensical and neither the FBI or DOJ or DC police have said there was a conspiracy and in fact we have reports the FBI has failed to find any pre-planning. These were individual acts by protesters who got out of hand, that is all the criminal investigations found.

 

A behind closed doors conclusion in which they attempted to even hide the identity of the shooter and have never released all the videos and witness statements. Imagine if it had been a white DC police officer shooting a black person on the streets if the investigation had been handled in the same manner.

 

That is what the Congress is demanding concerning the Trump administration. And this Office of the President for partisan reasons weakening the Office of the Presidency. If Biden had any balls and any concern for the Presidency he would be telling Congress "sorry those are the private deliberations of a President and his staff and as President I will protect that vital privilege if you want them go to court".

 

I’m sure Biden thinks it is important for Congress to get all the facts when it comes to an ex POTUS who attempted to stay in power despite losing an election.

There was a riot that day. Many of those people wanted to and tried to prevent Congress from counting the EC votes. At that point it was a formality that should have proceeded without incident.
If those rioters had succeeded, there is no doubt that would be an insurrection. According to the definition of insurrection, even trying and failing is an insurrection, but let’s leave that aside for now. In fact they did succeed in delaying the count for several hours.
And the sitting POTUS at that time encouraged them. He set the environment by lying to them about election fraud. He told his supporters for months to “stop the steal” (even though he was the one trying to steal the election).
The country has a legitimate interest in knowing what happened that day.

And you and other donny supporters just want to cover it up.

Let me ask you something. Do you wish those people had succeeded in stopping the count of the EC votes? Do you wish Pence had done what trump had asked him to do, and recognise “alternative“ EC votes that would have allowed donny to stay in office?

 

I'm sure he thinks he should throw and concerns for the office aside for partisan reasons. And no there was no take over of the government than any other riot at the Capital or any other government building that has occurred over the last years. WE KNOW what happened that day the FBI and CP and DCP and DHS are all investigating and charging those who committed a crime with those charges and NOTHING about any grand conspiracies or pre-planning or anything and certain nothing tied to the White House. The Dems held and IMPEACHMENT over, time to move on and take care of the business of running the country and dealing with the issues we face NOW instead of these witch hunts.

And I have been quite clear about what I thought about it and no need to repeat myself.

BTW there was a riot at the Department of the interior yesterday do you support those people being sent to jail too? Perhaps we could start subpoenaing Green congress members to see if they knew about it before hand and encouraged it.

 

Afraid to answer my questions?

Let me ask you something. Do you wish those people had succeeded in stopping the count of the EC votes? Do you wish Pence had done what trump had asked him to do, and recognise “alternative“ EC votes that would have allowed donny to stay in office?

 

I have been QUITE CLEAR NO.............why do you keep asking? I have given you NOTHING that would indicate I did. Now try addressing what we ARE discussing.

BTW there was a riot at the Department of the interior yesterday do you support those people being sent to jail too? Perhaps we could start subpoenaing Green congress members to see if they knew about it before hand and encouraged it.

 

I haven’t read all of your posts on this board, so you telling me that you have been QUITE CLEAR is meaningless. The questions are simple and since you say you have been QUITE CLEAR you should have no problem answering them.

Do you wish those people had succeeded in stopping the count of the EC votes? Do you wish Pence had done what trump had asked him to do, and recognise “alternative“ EC votes that would have allowed donny to stay in office?

As for whatever happened at the Department of Interior, I’m not aware of that. If people broke the law they should be charged and tried. If they are convicted or plead guilty it will be up to the judge whether they go to jail or even to prison.
If members of Congress were encouraging them for months with lies about what the DoI was doing, and had a rally repeating those lies just before the riot, yes I would have no problem in looking into their records.

 

Lol…when thugs commit a crime together, they are all legally responsible for the results, not just the one who pulled the trigger.

 

So you'd make mass arrests of BLM whether they partook in the lootings and burnings and murders or not. Got it.

 

Wrong. You need to keep up to date. Numerous "oath keepers" have been charged with conspiracy.

 

Well two people talking on the phone about going can get a "conspiracy" charge under the law.

Exclusive: FBI finds scant evidence U.S. Capitol attack was coordinated - sources

WASHINGTON, Aug 20 (Reuters) - The FBI has found scant evidence that the Jan. 6 attack on the U.S. Capitol was the result of an organized plot to overturn the presidential election result, according to four current and former law enforcement officials.

Though federal officials have arrested more than 570 alleged participants, the FBI at this point believes the violence was not centrally coordinated by far-right groups or prominent supporters of then-President Donald Trump, according to the sources, who have been either directly involved in or briefed regularly on the wide-ranging investigations.

"Ninety to ninety-five percent of these are one-off cases," said a former senior law enforcement official with knowledge of the investigation. "Then you have five percent, maybe, of these militia groups that were more closely organized. But there was no grand scheme with Roger Stone and Alex Jones and all of these people to storm the Capitol and take hostages.".....
https://www.reuters.com/world/us/ex...ol-attack-was-coordinated-sources-2021-08-20/

There has been NO evidence presented or charges made with anything to do with Trump or anyone in the Trump administration. The Dems in Congress are on a witch hunt and another political stunt like the impeachments.

 

You have been fully involved in other discussions about Jan 6 and NO WHERE have I given ANYONE an impression I supported asserted efforts to "overthrow the government" or change the EC vote other such nonsense.

I answered your question stop badgering about it.

Let me ask you and demand an answer

Did you support the efforts of the Clinton Campaign, the DNC and Obama administration to first influence the outcome of the election and then overturn the results with their collusion in creating the false Russia narrative, treating it as a credible claim in order to get FISA warrants and start an investigation and then leak the known false story to the Press so they would print it and the MSM would then hype?

Links here
http://www.politicalforum.com/index...ding-trump-goon.593278/page-2#post-1073007277

Wanna bet the Biden administration will NOT bring the same level of charges and no federal judge will sentence them to prison claiming they were trying to overthrow the government?

 

That’s a very long question so I’ll break it down.
I have no problem with politicians trying to influence the outcome of an election through campaigning. That’s normal.
Nobody in the Obama administration or the Clinton campaign EVER tried to overturn the results of the election. Clinton conceded defeat and congratulated trump within 24 hours of the results being known.
I observe that dirty donny didn’t show the same decency to Biden.

The “Russia narrative” was not a false narrative. Every investigation has concluded that the Russians DID try to help donny win, that the trump campaign knew about such help and welcomed it. There were many interactions between the trump campaign and the Russians. But Mueller couldn’t prove that there was positive collusion.

So it was a credible and reasonable investigation. Any leaks occurred after the election, so couldn’t have been aimed at influencing the election, and nobody tried to overturn the election results (as donny did).

What dirty donny did was attack American democracy. He should be investigated for that.

 

Which of the course the fact I was not asking about "normal campaigning".

It were the ones who obtained and paid for the phony that was being used both before to influence it with the help of the FBI and the Press promoting the false story and after to get him denied taking office or impeached. That changes the outcome of the election.

The Russian COLLUSION narrative was absolutely false and they knew it was false.

The Russian COLLUSION narrative was entirely based on a false story.

So answer my question as I answered yours with a direct answer

Did you support the efforts of the Clinton Campaign, the DNC and Obama administration to first influence the outcome of the election and then overturn the results with their collusion in creating the false Russia narrative, treating it as a credible claim in order to get FISA warrants and start an investigation and then leak the known false story to the Press so they would print it and the MSM would then hype?

Yes or no?

 

As I pointed out before, your question has more than one false premise. You set up the question with statements that are untrue.

 

Ahhh no you didn't as you dodge mine

So answer my question as I answered yours with a direct answer

Did you support the efforts of the Clinton Campaign, the DNC and Obama administration to first influence the outcome of the election and then overturn the results with their collusion in creating the false Russia narrative, treating it as a credible claim in order to get FISA warrants and start an investigation and then leak the known false story to the Press so they would print it and the MSM would then hype?

Yes or no? We those things happened.

 

What is the false premise?

Did you support the efforts of the Clinton Campaign, the DNC and Obama administration to first influence the outcome of the election and then overturn the results with their collusion in creating the false Russia collusion narrative, treating it as a credible claim in order to get FISA warrants and start an investigation and then leak the known false story to the Press so they would print it and the MSM would then hype?