1/6 committee to 'swiftly consider' criminal contempt for Steve Bannon, others who ignore subpoenas

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  1. cd8ed

    cd8ed Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    They failed then, I personally witnessed planning on the_Donald for that very date and reported it to the authorities.

    Where were all of you when Hillary was being investigated 12 times by Republicans?
    Personally I hope they get that fat orange liar in front of them and charge him with perjury
     
  2. Bluesguy

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    Congress does NOT have unlimited investigative powers. They are demanding Bannon and others give testimony as to themselves. Even a court cannot compel that from someone. And EP applies to the President and his advisers within his office, Congress no business injecting itself on this or any other matter. Recall how the Generals and SecDef who were testifying a couple or weeks ago REPEATEDLY told the members of Congress they could not discuss their private conversations with the President or the advice they gave to him.


    I'm going to a concert this weekend, it's going to be wild...................and peaceful. Politicians ROUTINELY tell their supports to FIGHT for their causes.

    You actually believe these politicans can do a better job of investigating than the FBI, the DOJ, the DHS, the CP, the DCPF and the myriad of other law enforcement agencies investigating it? Again thanks for proving my point, the are using this committee and these subpoena's for unconstitutional means, they are NOT a criminal investigative body.

    If the police want your papers and communications what do they have to do to get those, they have to go before a judge and prove a reasonable suspicion to get a search warrant AS REAQUIRED BY THE CONSTITUTION. These idiots on this commission think they can demand them and if you do not produce throw you in jail.

    I would be asking where is the FBI investigation I have been calling on for hears. Where did you EVER get the idea it is the roll of the Congress to do criminal investigations and charge people and throw the book at them?
     
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  3. Bluesguy

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    The staes/voters, else Congress can impeach and remove that is the only constitutional remedy of the Congress. The President does not report to the Congress, separation of powers they are co-equal. They advise and consent on the members of the cabinet and other high officials and have oversite there. The President is chosen by the states, through the voters electing the states electors.

    Does the President oversee the Speaker of the House? Can the Preisdent demand the Speaker of the House or any member of Congress turn over their communications and call their personal staff to the White House to give testimony about their private deliberations?
     
  4. Bluesguy

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    Hillary as SECRETARY OF STATE and her department were subject to Congressional oversight, her position is one where the Senate has role in their advise and consent.

    And once again you ignore the role and the Congress and separation of powers. You once again show how you want to politicize their limited investigative power as you continue to seek your vengeance. You don't even need a crime you just want some perjury trap
     
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    "Planning" for what and whom was doing it? Sorry not going to take your word on it.

    Benghazi was a **** show and we never did learn the truth.. I'm sure its just a coincidence the "Rebels" used it as their main base right?
     
  6. Arkanis

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    False.

    Committee members have the power to issue subpoenas and the Constitution allows them to criminally prosecute those who don't comply.

    Don't you think that if what the 1/6 committee was doing was unconstitutional, there would have been lawsuits from Trump long before now?

    You're talking nonsense.

    I'm beginning to doubt your mission to neutrally protect the office of the president.

    In fact, there's almost no difference between you and the most fanatical MAGA.

    That's how far you are from the image you want to project.

    I want to speak for myself.

    So I, for one, want to know if Trump gave orders to undermine the safety of police officers on Capitol Hill.

    I know he was enjoying in front of his TV watching his minions try to make him a dictator, but I really want to know if Trump made life easier for the insurgents.

    Here you go.
     
  7. Bluesguy

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    False they have no authority to conduct criminal investigations and their power to subpoena is limited to for legislative purposes. The Congress is not some imperial body or a law enforcement bodyh.



    I'm the only one talking rationally and constitutionally. I have no idea what MAGA's support.

    They are demanding the papers of citizens not accused of any crimes, unconstitutional. They are demanding people give testimony against themselves, unconstitutional. They are trying to skirt around Presidential EP, unconstitutional.

    Ever read the 4th and 5th Amendments, they apply to Congress too.

    We know what Trump said that day, you heard his speech, quote the part where he said to undermine the safety of police officers. What he was doing in his office at the time is of no business of the Congress nor do they have the authority to compel him to tell them. And even if you could find out SO WHAT? What then?
     
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    Republicans, like you, have become too detached from democratic values to understand that any truth is good to know.

    The commission will eventually find out if Trump engaged in more criminal behavior before, during or after 1/6.

    We already know that Trump wanted to replace several DOJ members so he could illegally overturn the election, the rest will come later.

    I'm counting on you to come to this forum and defend him daily while pretending that you are first and foremost a protector of the Constitution.
     
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    I'm an independent conservative and I am the one attached to the Constitution and the law, AGAIN the Congress has NO constitutional authority to conduct a criminal investigation nor subpoena people to testify in one, nor to demand records and documents from people who have not been charged with a crime be turned over to them.

    When did you stop supporting the 4th and 5th amendments? And is it solely your desire for vengeance against Trump that drives it. I'm counting on you to continue to flush the Constitution down the toilet as this witchhunt continues.
     
  10. Arkanis

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    It seems that your expertise on constitutional issues would be very useful to Congressional Republicans since few of them are attacking the 1/6 Commission on its unconstitutionality.

    And then a constitutional advocate like you must have a hard time living with having voted for Trump in 2020, since he has done everything to circumvent the laws and instrumentalize the DOJ for political purposes.
     
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    Let's not forget the lies Hilary Clinton told to Congress. Or did she lie to the FBI and tell Congress the truth since she told two different stories.

    FBI Director James Comey during his testimony last week indicated that several statements Hillary Clinton made in her testimony before the House Select Committee on Benghazi were contradicted by findings in the FBI’s investigation. However, he stated the FBI did not consider her congressional testimony as part of its investigation because they did not have a referral from Congress.

    That's because Democrats refused to give the referral to the FBI.
     
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    Jan. 6 committee votes to refer Trump adviser Steve Bannon to Justice Dept. to face criminal contempt charges
    "Tuesday to advance a measure that would refer Steve Bannon, a political adviser to former President Donald Trump, to the Justice Department to face criminal contempt charges after he refused to comply with demands for documents and testimony. The recommendation must be voted on by the House, and the DOJ would have to agree to press charges, which would be unprecedented."


    https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/do...=857693951420692326&utm_medium=Email Sailthru

    GOOD!!! This bloke has used up his privileges and then some.

    He is an embarrassment to the country........ the law and general civility.
     
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    In this country you must appear before courts of law and congressional committees when subpoenaed. If you like you can take the 5th. However if you are granted use immunity regarding your testimony you are then compelled to testify truthfully or be prosecuted for perjury or obstruction of justice. The committee is acting constitutionally as a legislative body overseeing a former executive branch. They have every right to do so. Reagan was compelled to testify as a former president in the congressional investigation regarding Iran Contra. Your assertions are baseless and laughable. Responsible citizens are always willing to testify before investigative bodies when subpoenaed. Criminals like Bannon, Trump, and his crooked associates are gaslighting and claiming powers and rights that do not exist. He will either testify truthfully or get his fat greasy ass tossed in jail with the rest of the criminals. Same with Trump. He and his scumbag associates are subject to the laws just like the rest of us.
     
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    The idea of a congress without any investigative power has a certain appeal. I think I would support that. It would be good for America.
     
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    Ignore a subpoena?

    Throw them in jail!


    Riot, loot and burn down building?

    Our heroes!
     
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    That Steve Bannon ought to thrown in prison and be there for a long long time. Trump deserves the same thing.
     
  17. Richard Franks

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    You hit it right on the nose.
     
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    This congressional committee is reminding me of the Salem Witch Trials. It goes hand-in-hand with the illegal clot shot mandates.
     
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    I don’t the committee wants to “swiftly consider” anything. I think they’ll stretch this thing out as long as possible, smearing the reputations of some and bankrupting people with legal fees, while keeping ordinary citizens in prison without charges or trials without end. The process is the punishment, the government Stazi want to bleed people out by a thousand cuts to make examples of them.
     
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    Why is Bam Bam now implicating the Cry Baby Loser even more deeply in his goons' attack on Congress?

    Remember this gem, concerning Manafort's, Kushner's and Junior's clandestine meeting in Trump Tower with Putin's agents?

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    “Even if you thought that this was not treasonous, or unpatriotic,
    or bad sh¡t - and I happen to think it’s all of that -
    you should have called the FBI immediately.”


     
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    This seems like a good time to remind everyone that Obama ignored a congressional subpoena and stonewalled on behalf of himself and Eric Holder for SEVEN YEARS.
    Anybody who thinks any of this is going to happen "swiftly" is in for a really, really long surprise.
     
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    Liz Cheney? Really............................

    Give me a shred of evidence that Trump or anyone in the White House was involved in a pre-planned attack or riot at the Capital. Give me a shred of evidence the FBI or other law enforcement has found there was some grand pre-planning for a riot or an insurrection.
     
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    Steve's going to the Big House unless Trump Soft Coup ver1.0c becomes a success.
     
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    Courts and law and Congress are two entirely different bodies. Congress is NOT a court and does not exist to hold court and declare people guilty of crimes and then punish them. Congress can subpoena testimony or records if it is in regards to a LEGISLATIVE matter. How many times does that have to be repeated to you?


    It does NOT oversee the President and his office. And there is no legislative purpose here. And yes like Lois Lerner they can exert their 5th amendment rights. But before that they can go to court and demand the Congress justify the subpoena and demand the court intercede in this attempt to violate their 4th and 5th Amendment rights.

    So Lois Lerner was not a responsible citizen? Obama officials were not responsible for refusing Congressional subpoena's? Your assertions are baseless and laughable. You keep calling him a criminal, well then please state what was the crime and the evidence you have to support it and when do then you will prove why he would NEVER testify before Congress where that testimony could be used in court against him. And no Congress cannot grant a use immunity to him the DOJ or any other legal body investigating the riot would have to do that. We know the lynch mob mentality that is going on and his lawyer would be derelict to advise to go under oath before a panel made of solely of political partisans who no interest in the truth, their only interest to attack Trump and any associates.
     
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    For what and be specific and cite the evidence that supports it.
     

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