Serious question: Should Presidents and their close advisors be above the law?

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Should a former President and his close advisors be immune to investigations?

  1. Yes

  2. No

  3. Only if their last name is Trump

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  1. Cybred

    Cybred Well-Known Member

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    I'm not the one claiming Biden broke laws, you are.
     
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    Well no, it's a shame as I'd like to know why Hillary wasn't convicted for destroying over 32,000 E-mails? I have no doubt Obama was behind that. Lets look at it.

    Former FBI Director James Comey said he had a “queasy feeling” after being asked to downplay the seriousness of the FBI’s investigation into Hillary Clinton’s emails. During his testimony before the Senate Intelligence Committee Thursday, Comey said that former Attorney General Loretta Lynch requested that he call the FBI’s look into her use of emails a “matter,” rather than an “investigation.”

    Now why would she do that? You can bet if Trump had with held one E-mail he was told to turn over he would have been brought up on charges. I don't see Lynch making that decision on her own. I think Obama was behind it. He wanted Hillary as President to carry on his legacy. He had to know if she was charged and convicted she couldn't run for the Presidency and Obama couldn't let that happen. He had to have ordered Lynch to drop any charges against Hillary. No way did she make that decision on her own.

    I further believe that because Bill Clinton met Lynch's plane here in Phoenix and talked to her before any decision was made. Bill Clinton also put pressure on her to drop charges. She would have to go to Obama before doing that as Hillary was clearly guilty of doing what she did.
     
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    Hoosier8 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Penalties for not participating in a clown show should be lifetime income.
     
  4. Marine1

    Marine1 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    McConnell was just doing what the law called for. It's the Congress's place to present the evidence and the Senate's place to determind if enough evidence was brought out for a conviction. It's not their place to call witnesses. The Democrats could have called anyone they wanted, but they didn't. So now you want to blame McConnell for not doing the job the Democratic Congress should have done?
     
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    Marine1 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Let's also have an investigation on Obama for his trying to get rid of General Flynn. He didn't want Trump to hire him. Told him not to.Flynn knew Obama had mishandled Alquada/ISIS by fluffing them off as just Jr. Varsity, not a danger. Everything Flynn warned them about came true and Obama didn't want him advising Trump on how he mishandled the war. So again Obama got the FBI to either get Flynn fired, or try catching him in a lie. There is a memo that serviced on the FBI's desk that asked just that question of why they are bringing Gen. Flynn in.

    "Then, in February 2014 – a month after Obama had publicly dismissed ISIS as the “jayvee team” that is “engaged in various local power struggles and disputes” and is not “a direct threat to us or something that we have to wade into” – Flynn went to Capitol Hill to deliver DIA’s “annual threat assessment” to the Senate Armed Services Committee. He accurately predicted ISIS would probably “attempt to take territory in Iraq and Syria to exhibit its strength in 2014, as demonstrated recently in Ramadi and Fallujah, and [by] the group’s ability to concurrently maintain safe havens in Syria.”

    Everything Flynn’s DIA predicted came true – and he was pushed out because people in the White House didn’t want to hear it. As Flynn told the New York Times, “it didn’t meet the narrative.”

    He was right and they were wrong. Now he’s in and they are out. Hence the “creeping sense of despair” on the Obama team.

    The real source of Team Obama’s ‘despair’ over Mike Flynn | American Enterprise Institute - AEI
     
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  6. GrayMan

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    I believe if there is 'reasonable' suspicion of a crime being committed, aka evidence, they have a right to investigate for purposes of impeachment.

    Nothing about this political escapade the left is putting on is worth listening to or treating with any respect.
     
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    This is supposed to be a Jan 6 investigation, not a crime seeking exhibition. Do I get to search your house and bank records to find something you did wrong because you are friends with your neighbor and your neighbor committed a crime?
     
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    I put yes, because we aren't talking about actual criminal investigations. We are talking about democrats playing detective even though they lack the authority, skill, education, or experience to do so. They are like little kindergarteners playing make believe at recess.
     
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    Aleksander Ulyanov Well-Known Member

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    No, the Republican Congress was given more than enough evidence to remove him but chose instead to twice violate their oaths of office in a pair of treasonous attempts to overthrow the United States of America
     
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    Yea I saw that on the MSM too. Me,not being a sheep, I dug deeper to find the truth, they DID NOT have any evidence. TWO TIMES.
     
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    "not being a sheep," you did your own reseatch and did not find anything? did you try "google?"
     
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    Trump appointed AG and his staff were in place for 4 full years and did not prosecute. You guys are real big about accusing your political enemies of various and sundry crimes from the cheapest of seats here on the internets. However, when it comes to actually arresting, charging, much less convicting anyone of anything, your accusations are nothing but a bunch of hot smelly air. Meanwhile several of Trump’s crooked sleazy associates have been arrested, charged and convicted of dozens of felonies then were pardoned by Trump himself. You obviously have a doctorate degree in spewing accusations against Democrats and defending anything Trump or his scummy associates have done. I’ll give you that, but where the rubber meets the road is in courtrooms not internet gossip sites and bullshit propaganda tv shows. Get back to us all when any of these people you hate actually get convicted of something by a jury of their peers. Until then, you are just blowing it out your ass like Sean, Rush, Levin and the rest of the blowhards in the right wing gossip sewer.
     
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    a President can declassify anything they want

    an ex-President has no say
     
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    Its already the law of the land. Its called the 4th amendment
    The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause.

    And there is no claim by Trump or the attorneys that a president or his advisors can't ever be investigated.
     
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    Once again, I’m not a sheep. Just keep thinking biden will unite and save this country and you’ll be just fine. By the way can you answer the question that’s being asked all over this site that’s not been answered by anyone? Has biden done anything good for the taxpayers of this nation?
     
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    Of course not, but they are above the law. Perhaps now would be a good time to start reversing the trend. I can think of an administration that is helping lawbreakers at the border and making unconstitutional mandates on society. Time to stop letting these things slide.
     
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    What do you call "evidence"?
     
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    Oh no you don’t… I post something, you call it “fake news” (which is originally President Trumps term) then you start talking about some kind of kids drink. You go find the information for yourself.
    However the “evidence” in question: the impeachment was a completely unsuccessful mess that embarrassed the dems.
    FJB
     
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    great one, kat! prove that you are not a sheep by asking the same question as the rest of your herd!
     
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    Of what crimes do you accuse Trump? Please, no partisan and groundless conspiracy theories. Please substantiate.

    What crimes has Biden committed? I think there are now over 1.5 million of them. Illegal immigration is illegal you Know. Dah.

    Try accessory to or co-conspirator with all illegal immigrants. In particular, how about the same with human traffickers, gun runners, gang members, cartels, and knowingly causing the suffering and the killing of Americans by enabling Covid-19 positive illegal immigrants in the country then distributing them among us? How about premeditated mass murder? My substantiation is an entire world of witnesses.

    That's a start, isn't it?

    PS what a ridiculous poll.
     
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    Exactly… The rest of my “heard” wants to know what this man, who you voted for and clearly has dementia, is doing in the White House.
    And we are asking a simple question that not one of you can answer. What good has this career politician done for the taxpayers of our country? … AND, MOST IMPORTANTLY, you consider me a sheep for questioning our political leaders instead of just mindlessly following them
    FJB
     
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    By the same standard - Why was Ivanka allowed to keep a private email addy and server?

    https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2018/11/28/18116326/ivanka-trump-emails-hillary-clinton-gma

    https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-congress-email-idUSKCN1TW3QH

    https://www.justsecurity.org/72262/the-trump-alfa-bank-server-mystery-resurfaces/
     
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    "Serious question: Should Presidents and their close advisors be above the law?"

    You mean the same as Hillary Clinton, or James Comey, or Andrew McCabe are?
     
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    f you too, branden, and it is you who brought up sheep. i've never voted for biden, but am damn happy that the other guy lost.

    i like biden's managent style. nominate qualified managers then let cruz and hawley block their confirmation. at least biden is relatively quiet and has never claimed to be smarter than any of the experts, or to be the only person who knows how to fix anything. he has not appointed his children or in laws to any government position, and does not rent out overpriced hotel rooms to his secret service and entourage. hell, i'm not sure biden has an entourage.

    the #1 reason i like biden as president is that we have begun to rejoin the world community. the united nations, human rights, who, nato, etc. these are all little things, but there will be no big things. no one expects big things.
     

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