How can the Vatican justify its wealth?

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  1. Kokomojojo

    Kokomojojo Well-Known Member

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    But I did not deny the holocaust, I want to know which holocaust am I supposed to be denying IYO?

    first, before I can even discuss the matter I need to know WHICH HOLOCAUST you think I am denying?

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    Looks like there are what 40 to choose from, should I throw a dart?
     
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    The Jews of the world were not a collective entity, therefore claiming that "the Jews" or "Judea" declared war on Germany is simply false and silly. Only a legal nation can collectively declare war on another state. And the Jews of the world certainly were not.

    Now, did the Jews of the USA "declare war on Germany"? Maybe, but there is no evidence that the American Jewish boycott had any significant affect on the German economy. But of course the Nazis back then and the Neo-Nazis of today use the so-called "Jewish boycott" to justify the racist bigoted hateful Nuremberg Laws, the violent riots against Jews and their property, and the eventual deportation of hundreds of thousands of German Jews to concentration camps, even if they were WW1 veterans or elderly.

    Mind you many German Jews and German Jewish organizations opposed the boycott of German goods, as they feared the boycott would simply anger the Nazis and they would use it as an excuse to persecute the Jews more. They were right.

    Sad thing is, many Neo-Nazis today believe that the Jews back then were all Communists, killed Jesus, were all Usurers, betrayed Germany during WW1, and deserved to persecuted and deported.
     
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    Kokomojojo Well-Known Member

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    but thats not true

    The World Jewish Congress was founded in Geneva, Switzerland in August 1936 as an international federation of Jewish communities and organizations. According to its mission statement, the World Jewish Congress' main purpose is to act as "the diplomatic arm of the Jewish people." Wikipedia
    CEO: Robert Singer (May 2013–)
    Formation: August 1936; 85 years ago
    Headquarters: New York City, United States



    people need to read (and accept) real history instead of parroting propaganda.
     
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    The Vatican was protecting its ability to continue to save souls - because that's the sole purpose of Christianity, as well as to protect the hundreds of thousands of people that would have been killed had the Pope opened his mouth. What do you think would have happened to the 20 thousand people hiding in the Vatican and the hundreds of thousands of priests, nuns and monks who were hiding Jews in monasteries and hospitals throughout Europe? A little common sense here?

    As for the wishes of God, don't think for one minute that those who took those risks didn't have a very strong faith and didn't pray often for protection. It's one thing to be outside the cauldron, and another thing to be inside of it knowing you and everyone else might get burned.
     
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    Deniers of the H deny the death camps which you repeatedly did. Then that’s Holocaust denial. The rest of your posts is an embarrassment. It’s an embarrassment also to the allied soldiers, non Jews, who discovered them. 110 concentration camps altogether with at least 1/2 dozen dedicated to extermination.
     
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    IT IS TRUE.

    The Jews of the world, were not some unified body, with democratically elected leaders. They were not a nation, not in the literal, legal or even metaphorical sense.

    The WJC was not elected by the Jews of the world, and just cause they claimed to represent the world Jews, it doesn't mean their actions could be blamed upon the Jews.

    the whole "Judea declared war on Germany" bullshit is just a Nazi and Neo-Nazi excuse to persecute the Jews. There is no evidence that the American Jewish boycott of Germany had any measurable affect on the German economy, but the Nazis did use it as an excuse to persecute the Jews even more. They even deported WW1 veterans to concentration camps in Czechoslovakia.
     
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    hitler didnt murder the jews as the stories are told. virtually no one knows he had 150,000 jews in his armed forces.

    How can someone claim hitlers intent was to murder all jews when he worked with britain and the allies on the havaara agreement?

    That was as above board as it can get.

    The problem is that everything you see on the holocaust out here comes with a prescription on what you are to believe, for instance starving jews but the picture shows fat people, killed all the kids, yet there are pictures of kids.

    It was a marvelous phsychological experiment though, like a big puzzle it fun to sort it all out actually to drill down to the truth.
     
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    No, the Vatican was simply trying to keep a good relationship with the Nazis, because they did not want to stick their neck out for Jews. If the Vatican had condemned the Nazi persecution of the Jews, tens of thousands of German, Italian, Austrian and other Nazi soldiers would have a massive moral dilemma: follow the Fuhrer or follow God. Just imagine what would have happened if tens of thousands of Fascist soldiers decided they could not take part in the persecution of the Jews, or even more...decided it was their Christian obligation to HELP the Jews???

    The Vatican could have possibly saved many lives by standing up to the Nazis, but they instead chose to be cowards. WW2 could have ended much sooner with tens of thousands of Fascist soldiers suddenly helping the Allies defeat the Nazis.
     
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    FALSE!!! most of these people were Mischlinge, which means no more than 1/4 Jewish. They were not "Jews" under Nazi or even Jewish religious law.

    Only a few thousand actual Jews served in Hitler military, as they could not legally do so without a certificate of Aryan Blood from Hitler himself, and only a few thousand were issued.
     
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    but someone changed the meaning of the word does not mean that is what happened nearly 100 years ago.
    At a minimum that is ridiculously poor research, or none at all.
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    as you can see exterminate means to move outside boundaries, and all the documents hitler and the allies made at that time support precisely that. Genocide is a fabrication, its pot kettle, the allies on the other jand did commit genocide.
     
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    so an "exterminator" only removes mice and roaches and ants, he never kills them???

    LOLOLOL!!!!

    too funny.

    Its hilarious how HDs play word games.
     
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    FALSE today there arent too many left to be interviewed, we need citations not political rhetoric, Im sure you understand? There arent too many jews living anymore 80 years after the war to interview, citation please.

    Rigg said he has documented the Jewish ancestry of more than 1,200 of Hitler’s soldiers, including two field marshals and 10 generals, “men commanding up to 100,000 troops.” In about 20 cases, soldiers of Jewish heritage were awarded the Knight’s Cross, Germany’s highest military honor, he said.
     
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    dishonest assessment, that is not what exterminate meant europe at that time.
    anyone who can read can see it for themselves.

    Exterminate as used by hitler means to drive a group outside of their borders, all german records, treaties, and agrements support precisely that.
     
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    You’re barking up the wrong tree. I never doubted the actions of the church at all during the reign of terror. Never. But I repeat, they were the actions of men, not a god. The Catholics saved lives I’m sure in the name of gods, while the racist/fascist regime commented atrocities while wearing Christian related garb. That’s Christianity like any religion is a hodge podge of beliefs.
    “As for the wishes of God, don't think for one minute that those who took those risks didn't have a very strong faith and didn't pray often for protection.”

    And millions more were slaughtered after praying for protection. Prayer had nothing to do with who lived or died in the gas chambers.
     
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    “I”’m not denying the Holocaust” while denying the Holocaust.
    Just like CC denial, bloviation meant to insight …..zero, none, nada evidence. Trump kept Mein Kampf Nearby too. Guess it worked.
     
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    The newspapers had lots of articles stating the US had a 'terror' bombing champaign agaist germany.
    Its known as carpet bombing.
    96% of all dresden residential areas were destroyed while the claimed target, the railroad had such little damage it only took a day to repair.
    I need a citation for that claim please.
     
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    Anyone who actually speaks and understands German, knows this is silly nonsense.

    But I'll play your game: where did the Nazis "deport" the 3 million Polish Jews to? where did he deport the 800,000 Jews who were sent to Poland during Operation Rheinhard to? what about the 300,000 Hungarian Jews that were deported to Poland, where did they end up?

    You have no answers, I know. And we all know you won't even attempt to answer my questions cause you guys know you have NO answers and are backed up against a wall by numbers and facts.
     
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    “Genocide is a fabrication”

    And I thought your posts couldn’t get any more incriminating.
     
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    So only 1,200 were actually Jews. Figures I was right.
     
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    There were 40 holocausts, and you cant even tell me which one I am supposed to be denying! wtf is up with that? I dont even know what it is you think I am denying?
    All I said is that there were no 'death' camps, that was nothing more than an metaphorical allegory to slander germany for kicking them out.
    I need citations before I accept anything as a fact.
    No evidence exits outside the popular propaganda sorry.
    So lets start with which holocaust are you talking about?
    All 40 of them? Lets see that would be 40 times 6 million, thats a lot of Jews since 1869!
     
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    I have found no evidence of genocide, have you? Please post your records, I need citations not your political rhetoric.
     
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    No you are not right, thats all that are left 80 years after the war ended that were capable of being interviewed.

    During the war while they were still alive there were over 150,000 jews in hitlers armed services.
     
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    You need to stop with this tripe. Your post are anti Semitic and an embarrassing condemnation to the thousands of allied soldiers involved in the reconstitution of Germany and the many who worked to bring war criminals to justice.
     
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    FALSE!!!!

    They were NOT Jews, not under Nazi law and not under Jewish rules.

    They were Mischlinge, which means no more than 1/4 Jewish. Read the damn book by Rigg!!!!!!

    Please stop posting this silliness.
     
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