How can the Vatican justify its wealth?

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  1. Jeannette

    Jeannette Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    A Jewish convert said that he lost 250 relatives because the wealthy Jews weren't willing to pay Eichmann $1.50 to save them - yet they were willing to pay thousands to save those who they felt would be beneficial to the State of Israel later on.

    He also mentioned how a Jewish speaker had said recently that they needed a lot of martyrs to convince Britain to give them Israel.
    Most of the victims were Eastern European Orthodox Jews who I know were looked down on by the more Westernized secular Jews, and according to him the trial against Eichmann was really a show to pacify them.

    Anyway Fascism and the Nazi Party came into power to combat communism and its internationalism which was gaining a foothold throughout Europe. Since the Jews were heavily involved in the Communist Parties they became one and the same to Hitler.
     
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    well, he does think the Jews murdered Jesus, and the Jews declared war on Germany.

    does any of this surprise you?
     
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    Posting without a statement is not a citation,

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    Hitler honored these agreements, contrary to antigermanic propaganda I am reading here.
     
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    More tripe on his part.
    Nope…just the amount and he won’t let up.
     
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    yeah, and Hitler still persecuted many loyal German Jews, even sending the WW1 veterans to concentration camps. Read about Thereisenstadt, where all the Jewish veterans were sent. Most died of hunger or diseas.

    The German military even did a study to prove Jewish disloyalty during WW1, but instead discovered that the Jews volunteered for military service and service at the front at a higher rate than non-Jews!!!
     
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    you're the only who claimed that the Jews killed Jesus, and declared war on Germany.

    next you'll tell us the Jews were all Communist and deserved to be sent to the concentration camps and ghettos.
     
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    I love the gratitude towards those who risked their lives to save Jews. Sounds like projection to me. So tell me, would you risk your life to save someone of another faith knowing that if you're caught you and everyone around you would be killed?
     
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    That sounds like propaganda,

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    So much of was proven to be big tales.

    Yeh they are still short of six million mark, and they are still looking for nearly 2million more Jews to sign up for reparations. The 6 million was number was given by the world jewish organization and it was not based on a census it was based on the number they gave us with no verification what so ever if it was true.

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    the groundwork was created by gurion when the jews promised to bring america into the ww1 on the promise from england they would get israel and statehood.
     
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    Quote Falsification, when it gets to the point of falsifying what was said the battle is long lost.
     
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    I can 'prove up' my claims, cant say the same for my opponents, not one citation from them, just the usual hot air and rhetoric.
     
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    I'll tell you why. According to the book the Palestinian Papers, during WWI the British planes were dropping leaflets down on the German army telling the Jewish soldiers not to fight, and that Britain was their friend and would give them Palestine.

    I don't know if it was the British or the Jews in Britain that came up with that brilliant idea, but it was sealing the fate of the Jews in Germany.
     
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    you just quoted a falsified strawman as fact,
    no surprise people today fall for the volumes of propaganda pedaled today.
     
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    yeh so much of what you say is and has been proven false. not one citation from you on anything you claim.

    Nothing to see here but empty wells folks.
     
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    Hmm, starting to see which side folks are on here:

     
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    the jewish banking cabal

    Balfour Declaration
    From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    Balfour Declaration
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    Created 2 November 1917
    Location British Library
    Author(s) Walter Rothschild, Arthur Balfour, Leo Amery, Lord Milner
    Signatories Arthur James Balfour
    Purpose Confirming support from the British government for the establishment in Palestine of a "national home" for the Jewish people, with two conditions
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    The Balfour Declaration was a public statement issued by the British government in 1917 during the First World War announcing support for the establishment of a "national home for the Jewish people" in Palestine, then an Ottoman region with a small minority Jewish population. The declaration was contained in a letter dated 2 November 1917 from the United Kingdom's Foreign Secretary Arthur Balfour to Lord Rothschild, a leader of the British Jewish community, for transmission to the Zionist Federation of Great Britain and Ireland. The text of the declaration was published in the press on 9 November 1917.
     
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    thats called quote mining, it falsifies the context and intended meaning of the original post by moving the goal posts to some reversed strawman meaning.

    You took out one excerpt and omitted the supporting evidence. Posts like that paint a false picture to the reader.

    Can we at least try to put some integrity in your posts? Maybe just a little?

     
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    Hmm...



    and hmmm....

     
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    oh, so you think the Jews have a "materialistic spirit"?

    fascinating.
     
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    more anti-semitic trash.

    kinda explains why you keep denying the Holocaust, and yet kinda justifying the Holocaust.

    funny how that works, huh?
     
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    yes its been admitted by several

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    I find it funny how Holocaust deniers love to deny the Holocaust but in the same breath, attempt to justify persecution, mistrust, hate, and slander the Jews.

    Funny how that works, huh?
     
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    which holocaust?
    You hve no evidence what so ever so much as one jew was gassed.
    I have waited for years for you to post so much as one verifiable citation.
    In fact ferissaun proved in his suit against the state in a france court the alledged 'homicidial' gas chambers did not exist.
    3 forensics experts set out to prove jews were gassed found no gassed jews what so ever after examining thousands of bodies.
    more falsification of my posts more of the same strawman trash, that was Article 24 of the 1920 Nazi Party Platform

    You accuse me of something I never did said or implied, please cease and desist on these deformatory personal attacks
     
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    Let me explain something. Anyone baptized is considered a Christian, but baptism only gives a person the potential to become a Christian according to the Catholics - and illuminates them towards Christianity according to the Orthodox. Same thing! It's all semantics.

    Nationalism is pride and self love, therefore a sin. It's paganism, yet many equate their love of themselves and what and who they are with their Christian faith. So we shouldn't confuse the two. To be a Christian, one has to step out of themselves and acquire the Holy Spirit, and that requires a lot of spiritual growth. It's a gradual process that comes about through God's Grace when we turn to Him through prayer and repentance.

    This by the way is what differentiates Christianity from Judaism. Saint Paul said that one can never perfect themselves through laws, and that it can only come about with God's help. This is why it's called God's Grace.
     
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    Yours among them.
     
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    ha ha,
    I’ve heard it all before…from being raised Catholic, educated in Catholic ways, being an alter boy, to being an integral part of Catholic schools, to having priests as close friends colleagues and yes golf buddies…

    More importantly,
    to accept the Holy Spirit, you have to believe in a fable. All of which, was to control the actions of peoples when there was no central gov. It’s time the Catholic Church modernize their story lines and admit though they provide valuable services and a community for a species in need of one, they don’t have the answers that can’t past the muster of science. The ongoing storylines and minutia are all without evidence.

    I believe there are valuable services provided by the Catholic Church but it’s morays and expectations leave even the most devout, scratching their heads. Really, not any different then all religions.
     
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