Where is the answer to this mess?

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  1. crank

    crank Well-Known Member

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    What do you mean 'which'? The expensive ones. Usually that's the capital cities - though there are some regional areas which are as expensive - and these also harbour career welfare-ists.
     
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    Name some expensive ones.
     
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    Sydney, Melbourne, Canberra. Brisbane, Hobart, Darwin, and Perth are slightly less expensive, but not by much. Adelaide is the cheapest (but who'd want to live there :p ).
     
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    Then of course you have very expensive coastal towns like Noosa and Byron Bay etc .. which are hideously expensive, yet have many long term unemployed.
     
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    I am not aware of what those cities have for policies.
    I know that people do move to cheaper housing as those places have subsidized rentals. But what goes on in Australia, I have no idea.
     
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    "Subsidised housing" exists here, but it's about a 15 year wait - and it's very limited. And moving to cheaper housing in the SAME CITY doesn't cut it. There's not enough of a difference to improve your chances of ending your own poverty.
     
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    So lower income people must move to cheaper places.
     
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    Got a study that indicates I can give you a disease I don't have? CDC and Fauci have been wrong almost consistently. The oft cited study out of Israel states natural immunity is as much as 27 times better than any of the vaccines. In fact it seems to be more than 95 % effective.
    Except it isn't now nor has it ever been truly nationalized. It's funded nationally but largely administered locally
     
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    Science based medicine points out that you do not know if you have COVID. You can infect others even if you have zero symptoms.

    That Israeli study was not a clinical study that indicates a different course of action. Other high quality clinical studies indicate that the Israeli study is an outlyer at best. Clinical studies show that natural immunity is NOT as good, and by a significant margin.

    I have no idea what you mean by "truly nationalized" or "administered locally".
     
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    Your problems are oil, fiat currency and derivatives....everything else are fabricated to conceal these three major threats America and the rest of the world are facing.

    The answer is to simplify your life, become more independent and buy Bitcoin
     
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    People (at least the sane and responsible ones) live where they can AFFORD, not where they PREFER. I want to live on a thousand acres of coastal mountain range, but I can't afford it so I don't. Not sure what planet you're on DA, but the planet I'm on doesn't deal in fantasy.

    Meantime, we're only discussing people on benefits here .. and they have no business using public money to fund preferred lifestyles in very expensive locations. If you think that's actually reasonable, I'll take it as confirmation that we're are indeed on different planets.
     
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    Ditto to the first two, but I would exchange the bitcoin for Land and Gold. Land, primarily.
     
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    If you can afford land now sure....but if you have limited resources like myself then bitcoin.
    Bitcoin is about to skyrocket, buy bitcoin now and sell later to invest in gold and land if you are set on gold...although I would not swap my bitcoin for gold....not now and not later
     
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    Becoming more independent sounds good. It's a reason for solar panels, reduction in self gratification through consumption, etc.

    On the other hand, Bitcoin is a money laundering mechanism that is trying to hide out as a really stupid investment.
     
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    Land is a good one.

    But, let's remember that tens of millions of Americans don't have disposable income, certainly not for speculation in land or commodities markets.

    When contemplating solutions, one can not ignore wage earning Americans.
     
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    Anyone can afford land. When building blocks can be bought for less than $20k in some towns, and there still exist places in which a house can be bought for under $50k (there is even a city in Australia where that's possible), not buying property is most definitely a choice.

    I know quite a few people who claim they can't afford property - but to a man, they've spent the past 20 years blowing all their dough on good times and high rents. Had they lived frugally for that 20 years, they'd probably own their homes outright by now. My point is that they made a clear choice NOT to own property, as evidenced by blowing their dough. Not at all the same thing as 'can't afford property'.
     
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    No, this is not even slightly adequate as an argument.

    Those living paycheck to paycheck can not just quit their jobs and move to the country somewhere. Surely you can see the numerous problems with that idea just as well as anyone else.
     
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    Although your comment about frugal living is true, I think your criticism of those who are struggling to feed their families and put a roof over their heads are unfair. Because the vast inequality between rich and poor have mainly been caused by central banks and their money printing, as well as the fractional reserve banking system that caused the massive debt bubble....not to mention the insider trading and up to 7 times lending based on the same collateral....there's much more but I will stop there...point is those at the top of the pyramid are rich because of fiat currency and derivatives....and those down the bottom because they did not have access to it.
     
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    On the contrary, the poorer you are the more important property is. It's the only bullwark against poverty that is both accessible and certain. Besides, not owning property will be far more expensive over a lifetime.

    As for the idea that 'disposable income' is required, I have to argue that strongly. I know people on WELFARE who bought property outright - for cash. They simply shared a home/resources and lived frugally for a few years. The money they saved from their combined (very modest) incomes over that time, was enough to buy a property.
     
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    It's not a criticism, it's a statement of fact. Reality - cause and effect.

    IOW, when we're born poor or working-class, behaviours like frugality and self-discipline are crucial to moving up and out of that demographic. There's no getting around that. Pretending it isn't true doesn't help anyone, and I would have to ask what the motivation would be for that pretence. Avoiding hurting the feelings/egos of grown adults can't be a genuine reason .. when the cost of that vanity is entrenched poverty, so what is it really?
     
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    If you actually believe that's the only way it can be done, then you have gone out of your way to secure an excuse not to do it.

    That's quite a reach, my friend. And let's not now pretend that it doesn't occur to people to explore the thousand and one other options for making it happen. Try this experiment: list off some of those other options, and if each one is met with responses like 'but that's too hard', or 'I don't want to do that', or 'that would be horrible' .. you have all the evidence you need to know that it's a choice. I'll start you off by suggesting a few here. Let's see what your head voice says about these ideas:

    1) Stay at home with your parents/family until you've paid off all your student debts, AND saved enough to make a downpayment on a property.

    2) If you don't have a family decent enough to provide rent-free accommodation for you as long as you need it, then build your own family of people who will - by securing and maintaining very sound friendships with very sound people. And get married - stay married - and don't have kids until you're securely in your own home.

    3) Live on next to nothing, saving every cent possible from any money that comes in. Be as frugal as hell, from day one. Don't allow yourself the indulgence of hobbies or habits that cost money, don't buy new stuff, free camp for vacations, and eat rice & beans.

    4) If you can't afford a property in a big expensive city (and few can), but need to work in such a place, then become a rent-vestor. Buy property somewhere you can afford and rent it out. Use the rental income from that property to pay for or supplement the rent you pay in your expensive city. Your tenant will pay your mortgage for you, and your property will increase in value.

    5) If you still struggle to save enough on your own, then team up with family/friends who are responsible and trustworthy enough to become joint owners with you. All of you living and saving together, will put you in a very good position.
     
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    Show they use public money to live in very expensive places. Just how much money are they getting from the gov't. Why do they get more than those that live in cheaper places?
    I live on the planet where, as I said, people often move to lower income places. Lots of times in subsidized housing. That planet. Not you?
     
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    They DON'T get more, that's the point. They get the same amount, but far more of their money is absorbed by the high city rents they choose to pay. If they moved out of those expensive cities (and since they're on welfare they can live anywhere), they would be able to save the difference, and ultimately escape poverty sooner. This would not only help these families, but would honour their agreement to use welfare for its intended purpose - as a pathway out of poverty.
     
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    Our economic system doesn't give a rat's ass what it is that you or anyone else see as "important". Our economic system is totally focused on maximizing profit.

    I don't care who your friends are. As a general rule, people who are living below the poverty line don't buy houses with cash. They don't usually qualify for loans for property, either.
     
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    You should think about what happens when someone quits their job and moves away from their support system.
     
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